Monday, March 21, 2005

The Right to Die? Is That Amendment 28?

I have piped in about this once or twice here and on other blogs, but Rachel says it all for me......HERE.

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56 comments:

Imara said...

You got to be F*@#ing kidding me, right! What happened to "state rights", and not using the Federal Government for legal fiat, and all that good stuff! Her husband has the LEGAL right to decide what happens to her. End of story. The only reason why the Republicans have even taken on this issue, is because they "owe" the crazy, wacked-out, far-right Christians. They are using this poor women for politcal gain... that makes them no better than her husband!

Two Dogs said...

It would be different if we were not talking about the legal system in Florida (ie Election 2000). it is most definitely not a Christian thing in my book, I think that if they are going to KILL Terri, they ought to at least have the guts to stick a gun in her mouth and pull the trigger. Watch the video of her and tell me that she is in a persistant vegetative state. I don't think so.

And just to go on record, if I somehow wind up like Terri, if anyone tries to pull my feeding tube, they are trying to kill me. Oh, and better men have tried, trust me.

Imara said...

Oh, I get it... if the State Court in question doesn't hand down the ruling you like, just go running to the Fed Court, where you're bound to get one that you do like. Two Dogs, you can't have it both ways! Either you respect the right of the states to decide state issues, or you don't.

It may not be a Christian issue for you, but it certainly is for the Politicians. They are using this poor woman for political gain. What about her quality of life? Medically speakiing, she is in a vegative state, and will be for the remainder of her natural life. She will never be able to walk, talk, or care for herself again. She will be forced to live in hospice.

But you're not really clear here Two Dogs... you say that if someone tries to pull the tube they are killing you, but you don't say if that's what you want. Inquiring minds want to know! Just in case...

Two Dogs said...

I think that the politicians are just as scared about the slide into euthanasia (sp?) as I am. We are already becoming a culture of death, do we need to actually kill a living, breathing, cognitive person?

Oh, I think that anyone that doesn't receive justice in State court should have the ability to appeal to higher courts.

Point in case, if something finally winds its way into the Ninth Circuit court, you can rest assured that the way that they decide a case is incorrect.

I do respect States rights, more so than Federal, I just think that there is something really fishy about this whole Terri scenario. Doesn't it bother you that the malpractice money is running out and the attorney for the bastard is on the board at the hospice?

soundboyz said...

Two Dogs , you are a hypocrite! In past posts you have said that state law should be upheld and the federal govt. should stay out of it . You also accused the Dems. of using the courts to impose their beliefs on others! Now, tell me that this is not a case of the Republicans using the Courts to impose their beliefs on the rest of us. If you do not agree, then it is clear that you just say whatever you want whenever you want in order to support your argument! I can't debate with someone like that. This is about religion and rallying the right to lifers! This is a shame!!Don't believe those little clips that they are showing you!

soundboyz said...

Oh, I have written something about this at Trinity Church, so please do stop in!

Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, I stii believe in the State Rights issue. I have not turned away from that. What I am advocating is that we not kill humans that have not committed crimes except for being an inconvience for the former spouse. I am sure there are others cases similar to this that I would not think the same things, but there is simply too much wrong with this one to lean any other way.

Here's a good article...

http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2005/03/asking_the_wron.php

soundboyz said...

Oh.....and someone tell that that Psychotic bitch that she can put her dog down. Millions of people do it.

soundboyz said...

Hey Two Dogs, Why are you deleting my posts. This is censorship!!!What I said was, Someone please tell that Crazy B#*ch that she CAN put her dog to sleep. Millions of people do it!

Two Dogs said...

Huh? I haven't deleted any of your posts.

Oh, and Rachel's dog is fine. I think that she is saying that if she tried to actually starve Sunny to death, there would be a riot by the animal rights folks. Maybe.

Erik Grow said...

Two Dogs...wait a minute here... She is not "cognitive". Not even remotely. A large portion of her cerebral cortex, the area that controls abstract thought, is now liquid. It is cerebro-spinal fluid. It is not reversible. This is what numerous doctors have found.

You saw a video of her and could tell what was wrong and that she could think? What level of education do you have? Are you a doctor? I believe what the doctors are saying. You on the other hand, are utterly guessing, based on what you would like to be true. I admire your passion, but passion doesn't always make for truth. I'll throw my lot in with the doctors.

soundboyz said...

^ THANK YOU Eric!!!! It's about time rational thinking individuals start to counter these "Know it alls". They have ten answers for everything and all of them are incorrect!!!Give them hell!!

Imara said...

Erik... Thank You! Your point is well put!

Numerous Doctors have said that the so-called "cognative responses", that her family claims she is having, are nothing more than reflexes. She is not aware of what is going on around her.

Contrary to what is being said in public, her husband has tried several methods of therapy with several different doctors. They have all come to pretty much the same conclusion.

soundboyz said...

What I found despicable was the interview with one of Terri's brothers where he claims that the husband doesn't want her to recover because he(the husband ) is afraid that she will tell people that he is responsible for putting her in the coma by beating her!!!How outrageous!!It just goes to show what type of people are involved. Their REAL character comes out when they don't get their way!!

Two Dogs said...

I am not trying to make any kind of medical statement. I am saying that Michael Shiavo doesn't want her to live and her parents do. Why will he not just divorce her and let her parents take care of her? This makes no sense at all.

Also, about my education, uh, I did finish third grade. We are required to do at least that in the Great State of Mississippi.

Oh, and Michael has not ever allowed Terri to have any kind of therapy or rehabilitation. The one nurse who attempted to get Terri to grip on a towel was refused to have any more contact with Terri.

Please folks, THINK about what is happening here. You are going to find out exactly what the problem is at some point, so try to have some type of compassion and remember that to admit that you were wrong is a good thing.

Two Dogs said...

And there is a good amount of evidence of physical abuse. Dr. Michael Badin has gone on record saying that Terri's situation now is most likely from strangulation. Who do you think would try to strangle her?

Two Dogs said...

And finally, I would throw my lot in with the doctors also, if only they had used standard procedures for problems such as this. Such as an MRI.

soundboyz said...

You are just talking out of your lower orafice!!!What evidence do YOU have to support any of this?

Two Dogs said...

On which point?

soundboyz said...

any of this ?

Imara said...

Wow Soundboyz, I didn't hear that one! What are these people trying to pull?

Two Dogs... her own family members have admitted that her husband has tried therapy. There are medical records that support this claim. If there is evidence of strangulation, then why aren't the police investigating this?

The many doctors that have actually examined her all argee that she is in a persistant vegatative state. Her condition is such that she will not get "better" with treatment.

I have to go back to my original statement... her HUSBAND has the LEGAL right to decide what happens to her. Period.

Two Dogs said...

1. Michael is wanting her to die, her parents aren't. Every single story about this states that point.

2. The abuse? Eveidence of cracked ribs, jaw damage, broken teeth, all of this has been repeatedly reported ad infinum.

3. Badin released a statement probably three years ago about this. Google Dr. Badin Terri Schiavo.

4. They never did the MRI and another test (I don't remember what it is) that all of the family's doctors say should have been standard procedure. Numerous news stories.

Need more?

Two Dogs said...

This search took me all of 8 seconds......

http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?Id=20400

I'm done. Have at it. I refuse to argue this anymore. It is a senseless thing when all her parents want is to take care of her and all Michael wants is for her to die. Bastard.

Two Dogs said...

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E871335120/index.html

soundboyz said...

This reminds me of something someone once told me. You could find anything to back up any thesis you might come up with!Baptist Press? WTF is that about. Of course they will say that stuff! I have seen this story covered on ALL the major news networks and I have yet to hear that she can eat and drink on her own! This is BS. Send me something from FOX or CNN or anywhere that has credibility and don't have a hidden agenda!!

soundboyz said...

OK.....Maybe NOT FOX!!!!! We all know they have a HIDDEN agenda!!!

Two Dogs said...

I wonder what FOX's agenda is? Could it be that they are not actively trying to overthrow the elected President of this country? Bastards.

soundboyz said...

That Fox interview is NOT credible. Looks like the Republicans are up to their old tricks. When they don't get their way, they attack the credibility of anyone that opposes them! That former nurse had grounds for a lawsuit as well as a criminal investigation. Why was this not the case? She would have been protected under the whistleblower act. She is full of it! This reminds me of the Swiftboat Veterans, when they need to smear someone's reputation, just find someone with an axe to grind and use them to spread lies!!How about finding someone, anyone, that knows anything about who leaked the name of the CIA agent!!!!That's a big deal!!It's a crime....NO really!

soundboyz said...

>I wonder what FOX's agenda is? Could it be that they are not actively trying to overthrow the elected President of this country? Bastards.
Well someone should !!!!That Son of a BITCH is guilty of numerous offenses punishable by IMPEACHMENT!!!If Bill Clinton can be impeached for something that had NOTHING to do with anything, I think that Racist fucker should be put in fuckin jail and be forced to form a naked Pyramid with Cheney and Rumsfeld!!
From misappropriation of Government funds, to lying to Congress, to fucking
starting an illegal war, to ....awwwww fuck it!!!

Two Dogs said...

Little Kim was found guilty of the exact offense that Clinton was impeached over. Wonder why she didn't get off with no punishment?

Thanks so much for the naked Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush comment. I spewed coffee all over my monitor.

Oh, and I was not aware that Bush has been accused of a crime. Do you read the New York Times? If Bush so much as picked his nose in public, it would be reported above the fold, front page everyday.

Illegal war? Why in the world would Congress approve an illegal war?

soundboyz said...

>Illegal war? Why in the world would Congress approve an illegal war?

Because they were scared and punked into agreeing to authorize the use of force only as leverage to get Saddam Hussein to comply with UN resolution 1444.Bush took advantage of this and declared war!Congress did not declare war, they only authorized the use of force , and that was only to threaten Saddam.Bush used the fact that congress did declare war in Afghanistan and tried to make the case that both wars were part of the War on Terror! This is BS!

Two Dogs said...

I guess maybe some of the Democrats in Congress say that, but they clearly didn't feel that way when they voted. You notice I said FEEL, cause you know damn well they ain't thinking up there.

Oh, what about the ten years and numerous other Resolutionis that Sadaam continuously violated.

If you know anything about anything in this circumstance, you will KNOW that Sadaam and OBL were meeting and sending money back and forth for the last seven years. Remember the 9-11 commission? Damn, they only said that about 1 million times and you still don't believe Sadaam and OBL weren't boys? No convincing you then.

soundboyz said...

What about the 400+ resolutions that Israel has ignored or violated!!!Give me a fuckin break!!Bullshit!!!Saddam and OBL were NOT allies!!!Pure shit!!!The commission stated that there was NO credible link between the two.Come on TWo Dogs, you are losing my interest with this alarmist crap!!If I want to hear this bullshit, I can just watch FOX, at least they have pictures to go with their BULLSHIT!!!

Two Dogs said...

The commission most definitely said that OBL and Sadaam were linked extensively. Obviously you have not seen nor heard anything about the report. They did say that they could find no link with Sadaam and the Tower attack. They cited hundreds and hundreds of links between the two bad guys, though.

And the US has signed one resolution involving Israel. Maybe the Sudan, Saudi Arabia and their ilk has signed resolutions against Israel, but none are credible, they are TERRORIST countries, damn.

Come on, soundboyz, where in the Hell do you get your news, Dan Rather?

soundboyz said...

I'm talking UN resolutions , not US resolutions! The UN is more than just the US!

Two Dogs said...

However, WE live in the US and we are the most honorable country on the planet. The US offers protection to Israel because they were the only Democracy in a Fascist Middle East. Maybe if all the other countries in the region would quit being such assholes and trying to kill all the Jewish people, we would back off giving Israel so much support.

I think that chances are getting better with us kicking all the "peaceful" muslims asses.

And before anyone coughs up their sweet little skulls, Islam could mean peace, but their actions speak louder than their words.

soundboyz said...

How fuckin RUDE!!! you are basing your judgment of islam because of radical extreme factions of Islam? That's like me saying all Christians are fuckin war mongering, child molesting, murderering bigots because the KKK is a Christian group .

Two Dogs said...

Oh, and you HAVE said that. And if the "mainstream" Muslim community would come out and simply say that they are completely opposed to terrorism, it would go a long way to putting an end to the violence.

That's something that Nobel Peace Prize recipient Yassir Arafat never did.

soundboyz said...

The mainstream muslims did come out and condemn terrorism! That's what true Islam is about.I certainly did NOT mean ALL Christians, I do not know ALL Christans to make that statement.The Palestinians have tried non voilent means for the last 30+ years up until the recent wave of suicide bomings. These bombings started about 7 years ago, after decades of non voilence and waiting for Israel to honor those UN resolution which calls for them to end their illegal occupation of Palestinian territories. You only want to pick up an argument where it suits you!! Shame on you!!!

Two Dogs said...

What the Hell is that on me? Dammit, it's shame.

I'm so sorry, I just don't remember too well the non-violent way that the Palestinians killed all the Israeli athletes at the 1976 Olympics. Yep, that Nobel Peace Prize winning statesman Afarat and his group Black September were surely some peace loving folks......

soundboyz said...

That was one incident, and even that was after years of trying to negotiate with Israel. You want to cite one incident where the Palestinians did something in response to Israel's illegal activities. You need to be occupied and degraded , and we'll see how long you try that non violent shit.

Two Dogs said...

Did it ever occur to you why they are where they are anyway? Could it be because there is no other place in the Middle East that will let them settle. If memory serves, Arafat got kicked out of Syria for terrorism and that's why the Palestinians are where they are......

soundboyz said...

Wrong!!!!!! The Palestinians have always been right there in Palestine.Since Biblical times. It is only because they did not declare it a state why the UN used this area to settle the Jews after WW2.The UN did this because noone else wanted the "JEWS" to settle in their country, so they pushed them off on the Palestinians and they have been paying for it ever since.

Two Dogs said...

The Palestinians have been living in refugee camps since Biblical Times? Damn, they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, are they? They need to move to Florida and be starved to death if they are brain-damaged.

soundboyz said...

Those refugee camps were created because the Israeli's took their land , thus making them refugees in their own land!!You know what I meant, stop playing Dumb......Or are you?

Two Dogs said...

In all actuality, there was never a country called Palestine. That is the name of a region and all the people from the area are of the same ancestry. And Eretz-Israel was formed as a British mandate in 1922. Partitioned into territories by the UN in 1947.

The name 'Palestine' in this area LEGALLY came from the British mandate in 1920, when this land was allocated by the League of Nations as the Jewish National Home.

Oh, it was always the homeland of the Jews until the Romans pushed them out and named their conquered territory 'Palestine'.

The reason that Israel is in the area that you call the occupied territories is because of every damn peaceful Muslim country in the Middle East attacking them in 1967. To the victor go the spoils. So if the arabs don't want Israel to have any more land, they might want to stop attacking them like in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973. Every time, Muslims attacked and Israel kicked their ass. Funny thing is that Israel has only kept the land that was militarily prudent just to keep all those peaceful Muslims at bay.

soundboyz said...

I did say that Palestine was not a country or state. It's like America was NOT America until the British called it so. I don't think those people were concerned about another people taking their land from them! This is not the Jewish homeland. Not these "so called Jews"! How can Polish and Slavs have originated in that region? Anybody can be a Jew. You simply have to go to Jew school , like so many Americans do. There, they will teach you how to act, talk, and perpetrate like a Jew.Then you too can claim Israel as your homeland !!!

Two Dogs said...

As I said above, the Romans conquered the region, and to the victor go the spoils. Ever heard of slavery? Something about it in the Bible too. And yes, if you believe anything written in history, from textbooks, the Bible, the Torah, and that Muslim one, you have to know that the Jews were there first.

soundboyz said...

NOT these JEWS. These Jews are from Poland, Bosnia, Russia, and Brooklyn!Like I said before , I'm going to Jew school to learn the customs and then i'm going to be a Jew that has the claim of Israel as my homeland promised to me by Abraham and Issac!Hava Nagila Nucca!!!

Two Dogs said...

There is more than one type of Jewish person? I am so confused. Do these Jews go to synagogue like the other ones?

soundboyz said...

Go to Jew school and find out like the rest of us!

Two Dogs said...

Sorry, I forgot my manners,

Dear Mr. Crazy Person,

Quit being a Jew hater.

soundboyz said...

> Quit being a Jew hater.

It's such a problem, they came up with a whole term for it. It's called anti semitic. Do you believe that? Well I'll be.I wonder why they couldn't stick with racist ?Maybe because they need everything to be special for them!That's such racism!!!

Two Dogs said...

It's really not a race, but a religion. Kinda like hating on Christians. What's that called? Heathen?

soundboyz said...

>Kinda like hating on Christians. What's that called? Heathen?

I wouldn't know. But I do know that hating on Islam is commonly known as the fellowship between Christians and Jews!

soundboyz said...

Two Dogs is a Tard!!!!!

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