Tuesday, February 08, 2011

Debating Evolution, A Primer for Evolutionaries!!!

Well, Steve B. posted on the current and latest craziness from the "I Hate G_d" crowd and needless to say, I commented.

Then the typical G_d Hater showed up to condescend to everyone who is JUST TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND EVOLUTION. Luckily, as usual, not one thing did that person have to say other than he was so smart and everyone else is so dumb.

"Oh, you just do not understand evolution, here let me explain it to you, Rube."

Man, I was almost ready to jump headfirst into the primordial pool before he said that. That pissed me off so bad that I jumped outta the back door to the trailer house, walked all the way across the trailer court and kicked Delbert's dog. I kicked the dog so hard that I got dog blood on my church wife beater.

So, I am standing there in mah REEEEEL comfortable jeans, blood on my best wife beater, and started thinking about what this brilliant scientist must look like. It made me so mad that I threw my PBR against Bobby Pete's pop-up. I had to pick up a piece of rebar to keep him from kicking my ass, too.

I picture this dude with the plates in his nostrils, filthy dreads hanging from his head, a hemp shirt, and his boyfriend Kevn (wearing his black skinny jeans and his Keffiyeh) hanging from Brilliant Scientist's completely de-muscled, pasty white arm with the tattoo of Rage Against the Machine.

Anyhoo, I'll never understand why when someone tells those morons that their ever-changing "theory" defies mathematics, they don't just go away? I mean, come on, the gig is up there, Holmes. No buyers, move to the next desert to sell your snake oil. Or, head on to the next IPCC conference.

Not only that, as always, even when someone never mentions their spiritual beliefs, the debate ALWAYS turns to G_d for the Evolutionaries. Can anyone explain why the Darwinists, who adamantly state that there is no G_d, absolutely MUST MUST MUST bring religion into the debate? Why, if their argument is so chock full of some of that science, do they NEVER produce one single salient FACT and ONLY insult something that they say doesn't even exist?

It is simply because there are ZERO FACTS regarding evolution. True, evolution MIGHT have happened. That is very possible, but never in the entire history of them trying to prove it, has one shred of evidence EVER been produced.

To me, that is simply FAITH. If they refuse to admit that they do not hate G_d, then why all the faith in their religion?

By the way, this huge brainiac has MASTERED the English language and grammar.

yup, you’re right!, I think I’m done here pauly – I’ve done what I came to do: was to show you up as the small, bible-totin’ coward you are, without any understanding at all of the concepts you’ve claimed to show as false. in fact, you seem pretty much clueless about anything at all, much less the fact that the computer you’re using is the product of science.

But Let’s check your scorecard!

Are you a whiney theist, pouting about being condescended by scientsts? Oh ya, you betcha!.
Do you then do your best to deliver prepubescent condescension yourself (Ed Note: Sorry, I love that joke.), that might have been funny 30 years ago? Without a doubt!
Does this therefore validate continued condescension of whiney pouty little theists with no concept of science? Oh absol-damn-utely.

Do you have any idea of what science is anyhow?– no F**ing way!
Do you have any grasp of evolution beyond that of a 3 year old toddler? – evolution? is that a washing powder?
Do you even have the fundamental mathematical equipment to assert anything at all, let alone the price of cigarettes, blue hair rinse for your mom, and a new gas canister for your trailer? Duh that’s more than five, isnt’t it?
So if you know nothing about it, how do you declare it wrong? Cos me maw and paw tol’ me to – now stoppit, yer makin’ be brain hert!!

Heh, that was fun. No seriously pauly, thanks for playing. It’s been fun validating the statistics I’ve seen about the average american’s ability to comprehend basic science – comparable to, but slightly lower than modern Turkey, I’m told. All I have to do now is talk to a couple of turkeys and show that they make a lot more sense than you. Shouldn’t be hard.

Actually, I also came to point out to Steve B. how the 2LOT works – I suspect you’d have problems even spelling “2LOT”, let alone understanding how it works, and how little it has to do with evolution.

Anyhow, thanks for being such a good sport, even if bitched every step of the way.
Now, back to your trailer – baaack. Pick up your little bible, or whatever equivalent dog-eared tome you think proves the existence of whatever fantasy you choose to worship. Now relax. It’s all over now! Don’t go beating up your wife/pet dog just because your ass was just handed to you on a plate. Beat them up for the normal reasons. Whatever they are.

Okay, since I am only here to help those people on this planet, I must try to offer debate criticisms to those of lesser intelligence.

First, try not to throw out vague references to stuff like thermodynamics when you are debating someone that actually READS.

Secondly, NEVER, and I mean, NEVER bring G_d into the mix. If you do not believe in G_d, there is only one reason that YOU would bring Him up, because YOU HAVE ALREADY LOST THE DEBATE.

Third, when someone stops responding to ANYTHING in your comment and just insults you, do NOT, under any circumstances, continue to attempt to make your LOSER point. You've lost, yet again.

Fourth, understand that evolution is a debate loser if you lose your cool. No one believes continual, spontaneous, concomitant mutations, not even those "scientists" that say it is true. They have to say that to keep getting their government funding.

Lastly, when you are debating someone that says, "This shall be my final statement, I need to go change the baffle on the spin dryer.", quit commenting. Just stop. It is going to go downhill from that point, dude.

Please take the time to comment.

21 comments:

innominatus said...

I just read the whole thread at that other guy's place. Awesome.

paul mitchell said...

I have no clue what it is about evolution cultists that I simply cannot avoid. They just intrigue me no end. But, I learned many moons ago, almost when I was a lower life form, that Evolutionaries lose it when you ask them how man evolved from a crocodile, so I stopped doing that.

The potato/squirrel makes them shit fire.

innominatus said...

Potatoes and squirrels both make good targets for my .22 rifle. Evolution!

paul mitchell said...

I'm a little rednecky, squirrel and potatoes make for a really good cobbler, too.

Boogie said...

Ah, dude, you know how it is: just pray for 'em. But you can't reason with them. It's not possible. I've tried to do the whole "approach from a logical standpoint" thing with these types, and it just doesn't work. They don't want to dialogue, they want to attack. The hate in their hearts is tough, dude. Real tough.

And don't diss the PBR; that's good stuff.

paul mitchell said...

Boogie, I would love to encounter just one of their cult that actually knows ANYTHING about science or math. That would be refreshing to me.

I guess the last of those pseudo-knowledgeable cult members died with the rest of the Heaven's Gate.

Boogie said...

I've never been able to grasp what it is that drives those of the atheistic/God-hating mindset. If I am wrong (and I'm not) I'm happily delusional...yet they seem to have some sort of...well, "higher calling," really to attempt to get me to believe as they do. The difference between the Christian (or any believer, I guess, but I speak from a Christian standpoint) is that we can recognize our preconceptions. I have yet to meet an atheist or believer in the Church of Darwin that does such.

paul mitchell said...

The thing about that is that they NEVER witness. It is never about a having convincing argument, it is about trying to belittle everyone to the point of surrender to their stupidity.

My favorite? "There are MANY published works proving evolution." Even though no experiments have ever been performed or evidence produced, every Darwin cultist says this at some point.

Boogie said...

How can you prove macroevolution? By definition, it would have to take place over millions and millions of years, correct? Perhaps we could see the results of macroevolution...if such a thing existed.

Anonymous said...

The beauty of science is that it is true whether you believe it or not. Also, religion typically enters the debate because science and religion are often on opposite ends of explanations. Religion is not open to debate. Science demands it (it is part of the scientific process).
Anyway, I am indifferent to your beliefs - as long as you do not use them to oppress outsiders and hold back scientific progress.

paul mitchell said...

Anon, and the real beauty of science is that it has historically been funded by churches. It is only once the government took over the majority of scientific funding has everything come screeching to a halt, well except for profitable things. It would be really good to get the Vatican back involved, we would have probably colonized another planet by now if government would have stayed out of the mix.

Again, blame "Progressives" for that, too.

Anonymous said...

Paul, I am willing to bet you are a decent person. I respect your beliefs. Yet, I get concerned when dogma puts the rest of us at danger. Consider the fundamentalist mindset of "whatever will be, will be - it has already been determined by God". This leads to indifference or even belligerence towards potentially beneficial scientific progress. Science has wiped out Polio, the measles, and countless other harmful diseases. Science must not be stopped or feared. My biggest problem with the religious is they use their fear of science to stop progress, and cause us to live in a more dangerous world (I am referring to danger caused by pathogens, not zealots).

Anonymous said...

Paul, I disagree with your statement regarding churches funding most science historically. Many cutting edge scientists, Capernicous - for instance, have been tortured by the church for their "blasphemous" scientific discoveries. True science cannot be contained within the walls of dogma. Questions must be explored, whether taboo or not.

Anonymous said...

Boogie, the evidence is, in fact, overwhelming. It is in the genome of every living creature. We are all connected. To each other biologically, to the earth chemically, and to the cosmos atomically. We all come from the same elements. The building block amino acids necessary to form life naturally come together. Considering the trillions of stars present in billions of galaxies, it is mathematically highly likely life is quite common throughout the universe. Again, it does not matter if you believe this statement. It is true regardless. I find it incredibly fascinating, but I do understand the fear and doubt.

paul mitchell said...

Anon, I totally agree, dogma puts us forever in harms way. Just take a look at the anti-human dogma of the utter need to disprove God rather than search for the origin of life and develop life-saving drugs. Or the anti-human ideology of global warming and the need to get back to the lifestyle we lived before the wheel. Or the anti-human ideology of population control.

Thank goodness for the Jews (polio) and Catholics (measles).

My biggest problem with the God haters is that they have never produced anything with their "science" other than Velcro and Tang. While I am sure that Tang is delicious, I have never bought it. I generally just drink orange juice when I want something orange.

By the way, when I talk about churches, I am not including Muslims, because they are the ONLY fundamentalists, except for the odd Democrat sects and cults like Westboro or Jonestown or Heaven's Gate. Odd how every bad thing goes back to that "Progressive" ideology, huh?

Anonymous said...

Gentlemen, I thank you for your time.

paul mitchell said...

Anon, the ONE thing that is true in your 2:21 comment is that all species are connected, but there is not one shred of evidence that any evolution from one species to another has ever occurred. Sorry, you may believe it, there's that old FAITH again, but it is simply not true.

My opinion on the way that evolution is currently proposed and imagined is that it totally defies mathematics because of the need for continual, spontaneous, concomitant mutations. To meet the timeline that we KNOW to be true, these mutations must be occurring at nearly the speed of light for well over 3.5 billion years to magically go from a single cell organism to man. Well, unless you consider AIDS the highest form of life on the planet now. ADn not to mention, there would have had to have been TWO different single celled organisms that evolved on different paths because we have plants and animals.

Boogie said...

See, okay, now we have a problem, Anon, because I don't have any fear (life without fear is actually a tenet of the Christian faith, but I'm gonna guess you're not particularly familiar with it, so you're excused). I don't have a problem with science; indeed, it has done many wonderful wonderful things for us...but I am cognizant of the gifts of God (namely intelligence and inquisitiveness) that allow for these scientific discoveries. That being the case, it seems I am rather more open to science than you are belief in God, doesn't it?

As for not understanding doubt...well, I've always been taught that doubt, in some way, shape, form, or fashion, is rather important in the scientific process. If, indeed, scientists did not doubt the accepted view of things, would there ever be any scientific exploration? I have taken the time to research my beliefs, and am quite comfortable in them (although I will never close myself off from the possibility of learning more). It is precisely that doubt that causes me to examine myself and my views with a critical eye, to search the evidence and objections, and to finally decipher the truth.

Boogie said...

See, okay, now we have a problem, Anon, because I don't have any fear (life without fear is actually a tenet of the Christian faith, but I'm gonna guess you're not particularly familiar with it, so you're excused). I don't have a problem with science; indeed, it has done many wonderful wonderful things for us...but I am cognizant of the gifts of God (namely intelligence and inquisitiveness) that allow for these scientific discoveries. That being the case, it seems I am rather more open to science than you are belief in God, doesn't it?

As for not understanding doubt...well, I've always been taught that doubt, in some way, shape, form, or fashion, is rather important in the scientific process. If, indeed, scientists did not doubt the accepted view of things, would there ever be any scientific exploration? I have taken the time to research my beliefs, and am quite comfortable in them (although I will never close myself off from the possibility of learning more). It is precisely that doubt that causes me to examine myself and my views with a critical eye, to search the evidence and objections, and to finally decipher the truth.

paul mitchell said...

Anon, I totally agree, dogma puts us forever in harms way. Just take a look at the anti-human dogma of the utter need to disprove God rather than search for the origin of life and develop life-saving drugs. Or the anti-human ideology of global warming and the need to get back to the lifestyle we lived before the wheel. Or the anti-human ideology of population control.

Thank goodness for the Jews (polio) and Catholics (measles).

My biggest problem with the God haters is that they have never produced anything with their "science" other than Velcro and Tang. While I am sure that Tang is delicious, I have never bought it. I generally just drink orange juice when I want something orange.

By the way, when I talk about churches, I am not including Muslims, because they are the ONLY fundamentalists, except for the odd Democrat sects and cults like Westboro or Jonestown or Heaven's Gate. Odd how every bad thing goes back to that "Progressive" ideology, huh?

paul mitchell said...

I'm a little rednecky, squirrel and potatoes make for a really good cobbler, too.

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