Monday, May 23, 2005

A Moonbat Smackdown

Daily, I read Imara and soundboyz. Usually I find more to agree with than not, but today was a little much. It seems that soundboyz honestly believes some of the Moonbat barking. As I was writing my comments, I realized that I needed too much space to do the article justice, so here it is. My comments are in italics.

Here we go....

So, you mean to tell me that President Bush ended up WINNING the 2000 election , even though Al Gore WON the popular vote?

Yes, that is called the Electoral College. That is how we elect a President and Vice-President in this Republic. Comes from the Constitution, Federal elections are decided by the States, not the populace. At least try to learn some history. By the way, Bush won the 2004 election with over 50% of the popular vote, something that Clinton never came close to doing. So I guess that you want to repeal everything that Clinton did in office?

So, you mean to tell me that it all boiled down to a state in which his brother, Jeb is the governor?

Yep, so what? If Al Gore had won his home state, he would have been President. Talk about a loser.

So, you mean to tell me that the Florida Supreme Court ruled that Bush was the winner because it was in the best interest of the country?

Well said, but exactly 100% false. The Florida Supreme Court interpreted Florida law incorrectly because they wanted Gore to win; slightly different from your post. The Federal Supreme Court overturned their ruling 7-2. Furthermore, through every recount done every way imaginable, Bush won every single one.

So, you mean to tell me that the National Security Advisor repeatedly try to warn the Bush Administration about people willing to use hijacked airplanes as missiles on targets in the U.S. , but was frequently ignored?

I have never heard that Condi said this and she was the National Security Advisor. She has adamantly denied any knowledge beforehand; personally I believe her because of her historical integrity. Maybe you are talking about Sandy Berger who was recently indicted on theft charges stemming from his shredding of documents pertaining to the Clinton Administration's handling of terrorism. Or worse still, maybe you just made this one up.

So, you mean to tell me that a PDB(Presidential daily briefing) was sitting on Bush's desk warning him about a potential 9/11 scenario , while he was clearing brush in Crawford Texas?

Presidential briefings are general information. There are not a whole lot of specifics about anything. Usually these are in memo form and offer no "eyes only" info. So, I'm guessing that this could have said something about a fifty foot tall Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man crushing churches and it wouldn't have mattered.

So, you mean to tell me that hours after 9/11 , the names, pictures , and information of all 19 hijackers were known and broadcasted on television, yet 9/11 could not be prevented?

Yea, it's called detective work. Look at the manifest and names. Then narrow it down to Arabs. Probably took a whopping six minutes.

So, you mean to tell me that we went into Iraq because Bush tried to link Saddam Hussein to 9/11?

Nope, the United States invaded Iraq because we are the damn UN police officer and we enforced the 14 resolutions that Iraq ignored. Bush asked if Saddam was involved with 9-11 and come to find out he was not in that specific incident. However, the numerous ties betwen Saddam and OBL that the 9-11 Commission pointed out, prove that there might still come a time when that evidence is uncovered. You see, criminals usually don't write down stuff like: 1. Get dumbasses to fly planes into buildings. 2. Get check from Saddam.

So, you mean to tell me that when they failed to link Iraq to 9/11, the Bush administration claimed that Iraq posed a THREAT to us with weapons of mass destruction?

Uh, no, the Democrats said that Bush said that. Bush said that he was going to enforce the UN resolutions. Bet you can't find that quote from Bush about an emminent threat.

So, you mean to tell me that when the U.N. was about to declare Iraq FREE of WMD, Bush rushed us to war with Iraq?

Uh, the UN was going to declare Iraq free of WMD's even though Saddam wouldn't let inspectors in until the United States had amassed an army on their border? Too little, too late. Let's make some glass!

So, you mean to tell me that the plan to invade Iraq was in the works since Bush 41, but was rejected as crazy and impractical, and also because there was no EXIT strategy?

Well, maybe the Clinton Administration was keeping that in reserve if Bill was actually charged with the rape of Juanita Broderick.

So, you mean to tell me that these same "Neo-Conservatives" that planned this war in Iraq since the 80's, are the SAME ones in KEY positions in the Bush 43 administration?

Yea, well when you can get the experienced veterans that know the business instead a bunch of Leftist appeasement monkeys, go for 'em. Seemed to work pretty well from where I'm standing. Oh, and they are Conservatives, Neo.

So, you mean to tell me that with all the evidence that has come out to show that the American people have been repeatedly LIED to , there is no call, or movement, to do anything about it?

Well, the American people seemed to come out and vote overwhelmingly against the liar, Kerry, so I guess something has been done. Oh, and he still hasn't signed the Form 180. What's up with that? Did he actually get court-martialed or is that just a rumor?

So, you mean to tell me that American Soldiers have been exposed as war criminals, and abusers of prisoners in Iraq, yet only "foot soldiers" are taking the blame, when the Administration stated early on in the war that they would NOT abide by the Geneva convention?

Well, no, we didn't sign the idiotic treaty forming an International Court. And the one war criminal that I am aware of, was sentenced to death last week. Yea, chunk a grenade into tents with your fellow soldiers and see what happens.

So, you mean to tell me that the U.S. is holding INNOCENT human beings in Guantanimo Bay, yet these human beings have NO rights or due process?

Innocent terrorists? Yea, that's right. Failure to follow the Geneva Convention in wartime causes you to lose any protections of the Convention.

So, you mean to tell me that these people being held in Gitmo are being subjected to inhumane and degrading torture and nothing is being done to stop this?

Yea, if you call three hots and a cot, torture. Hey, I'll stop that shit, if given the chance.

So, you mean to tell me that we appointed Chalibi as OIL MINISTER in Iraq, yet we claim that we are NOT after their OIL?

Uh, WTF? There were elections held in Iraq, a government was put in place and now they fill the cabinet. Please tell me that you don't think that we are manipulating things. Oh, well. To the victor, go the spoils. Bring on the free oil!

So, you mean to tell me that Bush "won" the 2004 elections because he "won" Ohio which heavily relied in electronic voting machines created by Diabolt,whose owner is a big Republican supporter of Bush, who "promised" him the win before hand?

It's Deibold, but yes Bush won handily, except in the urban areas, just as happened in every state across the country. Seems that morons flock to large cities. But everyone already knew that. You gotta be a dumbass to live in the same place as millions of other folks. Oh, and how does someone that only supplies 3% of the voting machines promise the election? Oh, he has faith in the American people. Most people knew the extent of Kerry's stupidity.

So, you mean to tell me that American Press no longer has the right to report the truth?

The Press is just now being forced to print the truth from as far back as Vietnam. Believe me, it's going to take many more blog outings of the lies of the press, but eventually the truth will begin to sift back into the MSM.

What ARE you telling me?

That obviously, you have some problems with this country and should seek asylum in some third world country that hates George Bush as much as you do.

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41 comments:

Imara said...

Two Dogs, Two Dogs... TWO DOGS!! I just read your responses to Soundboyz questions and could only shake my head! They seem so utterly ridiculous to me that I don't even know how to respond.

Two Dogs said...

Well, the truth hurts sometimes, Imara. Please don't make me post links to all my responses of these things.

soundboyz said...

Actually, it's Diebold!!!!!Smartass!!!!

Two Dogs said...

Damn, I am wrong on something, that all you got?

soundboyz said...

>That obviously, you have some problems with this country and should seek asylum in some third world country that hates George Bush as much as you do.

Fuck off Dude!!!This is MY Country, and I don't have any problems with it!!!!I served it with honor and respect and I refuse to let a bunch of airhead fuckers tell me where I can go!!!!!I have a problem with Bush and his gang, not this country!!!!!!!!You can keep playing this stupid ass game of bullshit all you want , but when dirty bombs start going off( and I really hope they do) I want to hear your bullshit tough talk then!!!!Remember, Bullshit in the end is just that!!!!!

Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, I am guessing that if you would simply get your facts straight about Gearge Bush, your attitude would not be so negative. The items posted on your site have been so thoroughly dismembered by everyone that their could not be one person that still believes that crap.

Why in the world would you want any bombs to go off anywhere other than on the terrorists? Or is it your opinion that the United States is the terrorist country?

soundboyz said...

Look Two Dogs, I have realized that the only way that this bullshit is going to stop is if the "kick ass take names" Americans who are convinced that they have every right to disrespect and abuse people , get what is coming to them!!!!I don't wish ill on anyone, but if nothing happens to put them back in their place, they will continue to play this game of bullshit, and continue to kill and wound thousands of innocent people!!!!On 9/11 , I noticed people were humbled , and the closer you were to the attacks, the more humble you were!!!!!The bible belt needs to feel that humility and realize they're just as human as some arab kid laying in some bed recovering from his wounds so that he can live a life as a paraplegic!!! ASSHOLES!!!!

Erik Grow said...

Two Dogs, there is much of interest here, but because my time is short right now, let me correct two. (You may be surprised that I agree with you more than soundboyz on some of your points too.)

You said Clinton never came close to 50 percent. Actually, in '96 he was at 49.something percent. If memory serves, it was less than half a percent short of 50 actually. He won by about 6 percent or so.

You say that the people voted overwhelmingly against Kerry? 51-48 Two Dogs? Then you repeat the usual conservative tripe of "oh if it weren't for cities, it would have been much bigger"! Yes, and if not for states like Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas, and Alaska which get 3 electoral votes for 8 voters (yes, hyperbole), it would have been closer on our side. It's all meaningless. It's like saying I would be 5'10" if I were an inch taller than I am.

Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, I do not remember the people from the Bible Belt asking Muslims terrorists to attack this country. There is no valid explanation to me for those actions. And there was mo humility in any fiber of my being after those attacks.

If my place is on my knees in fear of Muslim terrorists, I have ceased to live.

soundboyz said...

> soundboyz, I do not remember the people from the Bible Belt asking Muslims terrorists to attack this country.

Iraq DID not FUCKING ATTACK the US!!!!

>And there was mo humility in any fiber of my being after those attacks.

Right, you need a lesson in humility!!!!

>If my place is on my knees in fear of Muslim terrorists, I have ceased to live.

This is the STUPID SHIT I can't stand!!!!!!

Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, I never said that Iraq attacked this country, I said that Muslim terrorists did.

soundboyz, I am never to be cowed by Muslim terrorists. I would like to believe that if I was held hostage by these savages, I would have the presence of mind to continue to spit in their face until they slowly sawed my head off. I owe that honor to the men and women that have sacrificed their lives for the Iraqi people.

My statement on ceasing to live comes from my personal tenets. I shall bow to no man, ever. There is no yield in my personality now and never shall there be.

soundboyz said...

> soundboyz, I never said that Iraq attacked this country, I said that Muslim terrorists did.

Right!!!So can you take the fucking next step and say that Iraq DID NOT attack the US on 9/11?

>soundboyz, I am never to be cowed by Muslim terrorists. I would like to believe that if I was held hostage by these savages, I would have the presence of mind to continue to spit in their face until they slowly sawed my head off. I owe that honor to the men and women that have sacrificed their lives for the Iraqi people.

I don't know where you're going with this touching bullshit, but it's worth 0(ZERO)!!!I don't know why this was even written, except that maybe you want someone to think that you are some fucking patriot!!!!

>My statement on ceasing to live comes from my personal tenets. I shall bow to no man, ever. There is no yield in my personality now and never shall there be.


Again, I don't see where this fucking has anything to do with anything, but sure, I don't fear ,nor do I bow to no MAN, not even the POPE!!!!See, we agree on something!!!!

soundboyz said...

Sorry , I meant any man!!!I know.... double negatives!!!!

Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, I have never sadi that Iraq attacked the United States. George Bush never said that Iraq attacked the United States. What's your point?

soundboyz, my comment was true. I would hope that I could accomplish this if my future holds that circumstance. I do know that humility would not be pouring into me as I knelt in front of a bunch of brutal murdering savages.

And the place that my comments have originated have been your questions directed towards me.

And you know that there is no penalty for spelling or grammar.

soundboyz said...

Basically, let me nip this shit in the bud, cause I know there is no point in "debating" with you!!!!You can't see the war!!!!You don't live in the war zone!!!!Perhaps if you did, you would think differently about it!!!This is all i'm saying, if 378,994 people died from radiation poisoning in the bible belt, or anywhere else that they seem to be for this war, or support Bush, maybe you would realize that there is a war going on in which innocent people are being killed and injured, and it would be harder to sit back and support this shit , even if you only do so with rhetoric and bullshit!!!!The war in Iraq, not Afghanistan!!!!!

soundboyz said...

>soundboyz, I have never sadi that Iraq attacked the United States. George Bush never said that Iraq attacked the United States. What's your point?

My point is that the Bush administration did try and link Iraq to 9/11 with talk of meetings in Prague and other BULLSHIT!!!Bush also tried to scare us into thinking that Iraq had remote controlled planes filled with Anthrax and other WMD , that posed a threat to the US!!!!!There was plenty of talk of mushroom clouds!!!!!If you ask some of these shit kickers, I'm sure that they think deep down , Iraq was involved in 9/11!!!!This was done by design!!!!My point is that we did not need to attack Iraq, they did not attack us!!!!If Saddam broke UN resolutions, then we should have humbled ourselves and supported whatever actions the UN deemed fit!!!!If we are the UN police , then we should also enforce the hundreds of resolutions that Israel has disobeyed or ignored!!!!Don't give me that SHIT about ARAB nations being biased, resolutions are resolutions!!!!

I think you are taking my comment about being humble as meaning appeasement!!!!This is SHIT!!!Being humble means that you respect every human life as being equal to your own.Once you begin to look at those Iraqi's as human beings, you will realize that the situation did not call for what happened, and the loss of so many innocent lives!!!!This could have been handled much differently !!!! Remember, energy is never created or destroyed, it just changes form!!!So, when we start to receive back this negativity, I hope you stay strong and keep up the bullshit!!!!!!You're going to need it!!!!

joe-6-pack said...

Soundboyz, We should be able to conduct this conversation without the shouting and cussing. There are other ways of conveying passion.

As for the soundboyz quote "...if 378,994 people died from radiation poisoning...", just out of curiosity, where did this figure come from?

As for Iraq directly attacking the US, no that didn't happen. But the situation was explained to us on September 20, 2001. And some of us understood the explanation, as it was logical. We were told this was going to be a different kind of war, there would be different theatres, and it would take a while.

The Islamist war against the West is larger than just Iraq or Afghanistan. Most Middle Eastern Muslim countries are involved one way or another with providing aid and comfort to the terrorists. Sometimes this may be out of fear, rather than out of philosophical agreement.

From the 1972 killing of the Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic games (cited by some historians as the opening salvo in the Terror War against Western values), for the most part, we have looked the other way in response to acts of terror. Sometimes it was because it was "over there", or there just weren't enough people killed for us to take massive action. We didn't show resolve and in some cultures, patience and tolerance are seen as signs of weakness.

9/11 changed all of that. The Afghanistan invasion was about directly going after the planning infrastructure. Iraq is about trying to prevent future attacks. As for the anthrax and remote control airplanes, etc., we are at war with people who have no rules and we have to now expect the un-expected. We have to try to be a step or two ahead of them, in order to stop them.

The same people that bitch about President Bush's prosecution of the War on Terror will be the first to criticize him in the wake of another large attack. They will holler "Why didn't Bush prevent this". If we had conducted WWII this way, we couldn't have won.

As for the Lib/Leftist rant about not having found Osama bin Ladin, we never actually found Adolph Hitler either. We cannot prove that he dided in that bunker. We cannot prove that his followers burned his body. The evidence points in that direction, but we cannot prove it.

We do not deliberately kill civilians. We do not want to control Iraq, nor its oil. We just want Iraq to stand on its own as a somewhat stable country, rather than as a dictatorship that was a haven for terrorists. The opinion that Saddam had WMDs was based on his past use of WMDs. If he used them, it was logical to believe that he still had them. Many think that the WMDs are now in Syria or are still buried in Iraq.

This war is not just about protecting the U.S. from future attack, it is about protecting Western (classical) liberal values, e.g., freedom, religious tolerance, allowing women to vote and marry whom they wish, allowing women to hold jobs and travel as they wish, to drive cars as they wish. None of this would be possible if Sharia becomes the rule of law, as the zealous Islamists want.

Tom said...

Why are liberals always in a fucking hurry?

Every exclamation point after a sentence which should be declarative, is evidence that the person has nothing to say and knows it. Those exclamation points are as sure signs that the person has no argument as drool cups and adult diapers.

Soundboyz, either place your thoughts in declarative sentences, arranged in the form of arguments in which you state premises (statements that are easily accepted) leading toward conclusions (statements which are less easily accepted right off the bat), or realize that you are about as likely to persuade someone as a sobbing madman. Only a fool is persuaded by an exclamation point, and only a bigger fool would want that idiot on his side.

Buddy said...

The problem here is that Liberals have no faith. They have been lied to so long that they can't trust anyone. Conservatives, for the most part, have faith because we believe in a God who is just and will prevail in the end. Soundboyz needs to get "religion". He will be a lot happier on this earth.

Imara said...

I must say, I am truly saddened and outraged at some of the responses that I am reading here.

BUDDY- Don't make blanket statements like, "The problem here is that Liberals have no faith." You can NOT and should NOT speak for me, or anyone else. Your statement sounds very "judgmental" and strongly goes against the "faith" you claim to have. If you claim to be something, then be that thing completely.

TOM- I completely understand Soundboyz' argument. It was the substance preceding the exclamation point that persuaded me. Your comments just show how small you really are.

JOE-6-PACK- I believe this is a free forum, and therefore, Soundboyz can and should express himself in any form or fashion that he chooses. If the Afganistan invasion was truly about going after the planning infrastructure, and not controlling the region so that Halliburton could lay their natural gas pipeline, then why didn't we also go into Saudi Arabia? After all, they have more practicing Wasabis (the most extreme form of Islam- which many of the hijackers practiced) than any other Middle Eastern Country in the World. And, as we all know now, 15 or so of the hijackers came from that country.

TWO DOGS- You nor Bush never said that Iraq attacked the US, true, but Cheney, Rice, Powell and Bush all implied that they were connected to the hijackers involved and that Saddam some how funded or was involved on some level. If this administration could have come out and made such a claim, they would have. They have changed their reasoning on the justifications of this war several times.

I am all for doing what is in the best interest of this country and it's people, but not at the expense of young men and woman- American, Iraqi, Christian, or Muslim. I am really starting to believe that this administration and this President is appealing to you people on a deep level. The same level that appealed to your forefathers about slavery.

soundboyz said...

>Soundboyz, We should be able to conduct this conversation without the shouting and cussing. There are other ways of conveying passion.

This is true joe-6-pack!!I am not as dignified as some of you!!!I have anger management issues!!!!!I apologize to you because you have responded to me in a civil manner!!!!

As for the number "378,994", it was a number that I decided to use because it was large enough to get peoples FUCKING ATTENTION!!!!!!!Sorry!!!!!!!


I understood the speech on Sept. 20, and it just sounded like an EXCUSE finally go into Iraq!!!!Iraq DID NOT HARBOR terrorists until the US INVADED!!!!!!Saddam Hussein and the terrorists were NOT ALLIES!!!!!!!

I noticed you mentioned the 1972 Olympics, then you must know what preceeded it and why those people committed such a barbaric act!!!I hate when people pick up a problem from a specific point that supports their argument!!!Israelis are the first terrorists!!!They terrorized those people until they FLED their land!!!!

Look , I have been in several of these exchanges, and I know exactly how they go, so let's not waste each other's time!!!!!!

soundboyz said...

> Why are liberals always in a fucking hurry?


For the same reason why conservatives are lying, greasy , hypocrytical, low life, criminal, closeted HOMOSEXUALS!!!!!!

Tom, I'm sure you're SMART enough to look past the exclamation points!!!!!!! Maybe I'm WRONG!!!!!!!At any rate , I'm NOT coming back to this FUCKING place again!!!!!!!!So, you can continue to pretend that you're all a bunch of FUCKING KNOW it ALLS!!!!!If you're HALF as smart as you pretend to be, you know what I am saying about energy!!!!!!So, things can feel safe and sound right NOW, but think about anything that you EVER GOT away with, no matter how much you LIED or BULLSHITTED about it!!!!See, when the president is the BIGGEST bullshitter going, I can see his appeal to all smartasses and bullshitters world wide!!!I ASK YOU AGAIN....WHAT HAVE YOU EVER GOTTEN AWAY WITH?YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT, IT WAS A RHETORICAL(SP?) QUESTION!!!!!!!!!

soundboyz said...

As far as Buddy, or UNKNOWN, or two dogs, or whoever that is, who claims to know anything about me or my religion,YOU CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!!!!!!I'M NOT COMING BACK HERE AGAIN!!!!!!!

Tom said...

Soundboyz

Obviously, you don't see what your comments look like.

Imagine I am your evil twin, Soundbeez. Evil, because I have a goatee. I proceed to stroke my evil goatee and write:

"Basically, let me nip this shit in the bud, cause I know there is no point in "debating" with you!!!!You can't see the HORRORS SADDAM PERPETRATED WITH HIS RAPIST SONS, THE NERVE GAS AGAINST DEFENSELESS KURDS, AND THE FUCKING WOODCHIPPERS!!!!You did't live in the fascist country!!!!Perhaps if you did, you would think differently about it!!!This is all i'm saying, if 200,000 people get disappeared by Saddam's agents, or anywhere else that they seem to oppose his terror state, or support freedom, maybe you would realize that innocent people were being killed and injured, and it would be harder to sit back and support this anti-war genocidal dictator-appeasing shit, even if you only do so with rhetoric and bullshit!!!!The victims of Saddam in Iraq, not of the misogynistic Taliban motherfuckers slicing off the clitori of young girls in Afghanistan!!!!!"

See? Sounds like total lunacy. Clean it up a little, kill the exclamation points, and it becomes something which can persuade people. Even Neville Chamberlain appeasers who would rather sit back in their mass-murdering psycopathic pseudo-Guerilla-Che shirts and gripe as populations are freed from horror.

Tom said...

Soundbeez is stroking his goatee again...

Soundboyz, I'm sure you're SMART enough to stop using the exclamation points!!!!!!! Maybe I'm WRONG!!!!!!!At any rate , I'm coming back to this FUCKING place again!!!!!!!!So, you can continue to pretend that you're A FUCKING KNOW IT ALL EXCLAMATION POINT-USING MADMAN!!!!!If you're HALF as smart as you pretend to be, you know what I am saying about PUNCTUATION AND CAPITALIZATION!!!!!!So, things can feel safe and sound right NOW, but think about anything that you EVER GOT away with, no matter how much you LIED or BULLSHITTED about it!!!!See, when the DNC chairman who confuses Saddam and Osama is the BIGGEST bullshitter going, I can see his appeal to all smartasses and bullshitters world wide!!!I ASK YOU AGAIN....WHAT HAVE YOU EVER GOTTEN AWAY WITH BESIDES THAT TIME YOU LUBED UP YOUR NEIGHBOR'S GREAT DANE?YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT, IT WAS A RHETORICAL(SP?) QUESTION!!!!!!!!!

P.S.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Two Dogs said...

Sorry, folks, I was out of town this morning and y'all have done a great job while I was away.

Imara said...

Tom, I must say I laughed hysterically when I was reading your comment. Not because you made a valid point, but because it made you look so immature and asinine. Who the hell cares how Soundboyz expresses himself? Yes, that was a rhetorical question! Grow up and get over it!!!!!!!!! (those extras were for you SB!)

Since you brought up Saddam using WMD against the Kurds, allow me to interject some more truth into your statement. The Kurds were a threat to the Iraqi government, so Saddam, on the advice and assitance of the US GOVERNMENT decided to stop the coup. I guess that would make us accessories to those few 100,000 murders. But, hey, when there's oil to be had, we can live with that. If you're going to use that situation in history to support your position, tell the whole story.

joe-6-pack said...

In a response to my reply to Soundboyz earlier today, Imara said: "I believe this is a free forum, and therefore, Soundboyz can and should express himself in any form or fashion that he chooses."

[I didn't question his right to express himself, I just questioned his strategies and methods, as being inefficient in getting his points across.]

continued: "If the Afganistan invasion was truly about going after the planning infrastructure, and not controlling the region so that Halliburton could lay their natural gas pipeline, then why didn't we also go into Saudi Arabia? After all, they have more practicing Wasabis (the most extreme form of Islam- which many of the hijackers practiced) than any other Middle Eastern Country in the World. And, as we all know now, 15 or so of the hijackers came from that country."

[Imara is right about Saudi Arabia being a nest of Wahhabi (sp.?) snakes that needs to be dealt with one way or another. Each terrorist sponsor is a different issue, needing a different "strategery".

As for the Afghanistan pipeline, I dedicated myself to finding out "the rest of the story". I found a logical, plausible explanation in an online liberal magazine and afterward, I posted on this subject. It was Unocal during the Clinton Administration, not Haliburton during the Bush (43) Administration.

The gas pipeline was never more than a Unocal "pipedream" (why am I reminded of a bong when I hear that word?). Afghanistan was too unstable and market conditions changed to the point that it was no longer practical to even consider the project after the Unocal plans fell through.]

joe-6-pack said...

To address Soundboyz's reply to my post:

"I understood the speech on Sept. 20, and it just sounded like an EXCUSE finally go into Iraq!!!!Iraq DID NOT HARBOR terrorists until the US INVADED!!!!!!Saddam Hussein and the terrorists were NOT ALLIES!!!!!!!"

[Though it may be true that Saddam and the terrorists didn't like each other, they were united in their hatred of us and Israel. In one fashion or another most Middle Eastern Muslim nations are involved with Islamist terror, if only to appease them. Syria, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, Libya,... ]

"I noticed you mentioned the 1972 Olympics, then you must know what preceeded it and why those people committed such a barbaric act!!!I hate when people pick up a problem from a specific point that supports their argument!!!Israelis are the first terrorists!!!They terrorized those people until they FLED their land!!!!"

[Israel just wants to be left alone. The Muslims that chose to stay behind in 1948 and their descendants have been afforded rights not extended to Muslims in most other Middle Eastern countries, e.g., the right to vote, representation in the Parliament, etc.. No it is not paradise, but the Muslims that have behaved themselves have it better than the descendants that left upon the instructions of the surrounding nations that planned to destroy Israel.]

Look , I have been in several of these exchanges, and I know exactly how they go, so let's not waste each other's time!!!!!!

joe-6-pack said...

Oops! I forgot to put quotations around the last paragraph. That one belongs to Soundboyz.

Oddybobo said...

Ohhh, another rant stemmed by Two Dogs. Good boy!

But really, same lame arguments from the "liberal side" unsubstantiated, full of holes.

There is a myriad of evidence that the hijackers were at least in part connected to Saddam. But to say that we faced no threat from Iraq is a fallacy.

Our war is against terrorism. Saddam was one of the biggest. Paying families of suicide bombers, training terrorists, harboring terrorists, sending money to terrorists.

But then again, the liberal response to any pro-Bush argument is "Bush lied people died" So add to it now, "Newsweek lied people died" and "Kerry lied people died" etc . . . it is easy to get caught in the rhetoric. After reading soundboyz and imara for a while, I would expect more of them.

Imara said...

>There is a myriad of evidence that the hijackers were at least in part connected to Saddam. But to say that we faced no threat from Iraq is a fallacy.

Oddybobo,

Can you provide hard facts to back this statement up?

Two Dogs said...

Imara, there was the 9-11 Commission's report that pointed out vast amounts of data that connected Saddam, OBL and Al Qeida. Numerous connections between the two. The commission could not make the connection of Saddam and 9-11 though. And before you start saying that it was a biased commission, please remember that one of its membersw was Jamie Gorelick, asst AG under Clinton that wrote the memo about the intelligence agencies not being able to communicate.

Liberty Dog said...

Ahh...Two Dogs, I see that you have some visitors from the glorious Peoples' Republik of Moral Relativity, where the hypocrisy flows like milk and honey.

It must be interesting to live in a place where it is not the one that yells and cusses that is considered small, but the one that points out that yelling and cussing is a poor way to make a point. Unless, of course, the one pointing out how ridiculous it is to yell and cuss to make a point further demonstrates that fact by yelling and cussing, then it is in fact immature and asinine to yell and cuss.

Then again, this is the same place where the moral outrage of an accidental death in the liberation of an oppressed people is shouted out from the rooftops by the same millions that sat silent as those same peoples were raped, tortured, and murdered.

The same place where there is no difference between the possible flushing of the Quran and the actual shoving of live people into wood chippers.

The same place where the sexual embarassment of a terrorist is worse than the beheading of an aid worker.

The same place where the taking of innocent lives is always wrong, always that is unless it is 378,994 American lives. Because as the whole world knows, regardless of the 100,000,000 plus lives taken by Communism, the 6 million killed by the Nazis, and the continuing African genocides, there has never been a more repugnant rights violator in the world than the United States, well with the possible exception of Israel.

Two Dogs said...

Thanks for the sane comment, Liberty Dog. Without people like you, Tom, Oddy, and Pam I would get really tired, really quikly.

KR said...

SB has his perspective. It isn't always grounded in reality, but then, who always is?

As far as keeping you sane...what about me?
I'm not Democrat or Republican. True, I'm socially considerably more liberal than you are, but I am without a doubt fiscally conservative. I'm a Patriot, but not the kind who thinks any El Presidente is to be followed blindly. I am actually rather libertarian, in the sense that I want the Feds to keep their laws off my money, my body, and my bedroom. The day we started producing legislation that protects people from their own stupidity marked the day the average IQ in this country started its decline to the current pitiful state. I'm a Constitutional Luddite and the Federal Government has gotten out of control and far too expensive to maintain. Lets get back to basics: Abolish the IRS and return control of currency to the government rather than a corporation. Return Sovereignty to the States. Etc Etc.

Nah, too reactionary for you.

Two Dogs said...

You had me all the way up until the return control of currency comment. I guess I don't understand. However, up until that point, we are 100% in agreement.

Two Dogs said...

Thanks for the sane comment, Liberty Dog. Without people like you, Tom, Oddy, and Pam I would get really tired, really quikly.

Two Dogs said...

Imara, there was the 9-11 Commission's report that pointed out vast amounts of data that connected Saddam, OBL and Al Qeida. Numerous connections between the two. The commission could not make the connection of Saddam and 9-11 though. And before you start saying that it was a biased commission, please remember that one of its membersw was Jamie Gorelick, asst AG under Clinton that wrote the memo about the intelligence agencies not being able to communicate.

joe-6-pack said...

Oops! I forgot to put quotations around the last paragraph. That one belongs to Soundboyz.

joe-6-pack said...

To address Soundboyz's reply to my post:

"I understood the speech on Sept. 20, and it just sounded like an EXCUSE finally go into Iraq!!!!Iraq DID NOT HARBOR terrorists until the US INVADED!!!!!!Saddam Hussein and the terrorists were NOT ALLIES!!!!!!!"

[Though it may be true that Saddam and the terrorists didn't like each other, they were united in their hatred of us and Israel. In one fashion or another most Middle Eastern Muslim nations are involved with Islamist terror, if only to appease them. Syria, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, Libya,... ]

"I noticed you mentioned the 1972 Olympics, then you must know what preceeded it and why those people committed such a barbaric act!!!I hate when people pick up a problem from a specific point that supports their argument!!!Israelis are the first terrorists!!!They terrorized those people until they FLED their land!!!!"

[Israel just wants to be left alone. The Muslims that chose to stay behind in 1948 and their descendants have been afforded rights not extended to Muslims in most other Middle Eastern countries, e.g., the right to vote, representation in the Parliament, etc.. No it is not paradise, but the Muslims that have behaved themselves have it better than the descendants that left upon the instructions of the surrounding nations that planned to destroy Israel.]

Look , I have been in several of these exchanges, and I know exactly how they go, so let's not waste each other's time!!!!!!

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