Tuesday, April 12, 2005

Them Jews Ain't So Bad After All

For the newcomers if any, I am NOT Jewish. I am Catholic. This post as usual is a continuation of past debates that have been raging on this never-to-be-humble blog. Oh, in case you didn't know, I am by far the smartest person in the entire world. If you have questions, dammit, I got answers.

Reparations, damn Jews, Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, and Black folks, etal....

Here we go: It seems that there are some questions raging around this blog about whether or not the people that have "occupied" the Palestinians' land (that is rightfully theirs because they say so) are actually Jewish. While I completely disregard that notion, I have to inflame something just short of a riot, that's just my nature.

I have done a cursory search of information to incite just this type of near-riot and here are my findings......

While the Jewish community is by and large Democrat voters, it seems that a certain segment of the Black community done gone hating on them. I am here to push the agenda that maybe, just maybe, that hostility is misplaced. I can't find any links on the web that gives me a reason for this hatred, but I did stumble across something that peaks my interest. It seems that everywhere that the Black man is enslaved at this particular point in time is ruled by none other than the Arab or Black Muslim. Weird, you would think that it would be otherwise, but what the Hell do I know.

Links, yeah I got 'em.

American Thinker
Sudan Link Number One
Sudan Link Number Two
A Plethora of Sudan Links from PBS, no doubt.
Mychal Massie

Many thanks to Imara for raising my awareness and peaking my interests in this topic.

UPDATE: Yeah, I found some stuff.
Louis Farrakhan
The Nizcor Project
Steven Vincent

UPDATE REDONEDID: On a lighter note, THIS is funny, but I haven't seen it in the wild, yet.

UPDATE FINALLY: There is not one bad article HERE.
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43 comments:

Thomas said...

I never understood why some blacks hate Jews.

Two Dogs said...

I still don't understand it myself, but those last few links, give me some idea from where the hatred stems.

Thanks for playing, Thomas.

Tom said...

Thanks!

I don't think it's possible to transfer comments over to Typepad if you decide to transfer, but it has all the features you'd like (except it makes you pay $180 a year just to play in your own template).

Motime and Mu.Nu are free, but Mu.Nu seems to require your first-born in order to get in.

Oddybobo said...

I have an answer, as always I do, its called racism . . . shooooo, don't tell! And didn't I comment on that slaveholding stuff??? Anyway, we have some slavery still going on here. But it is asians, enslaved as sex workers or as domestics in Saudi households. Makes one sick - oh and Soundboyz if you are out there, all slavery makes me sick! But the fact that we are dwelling on the past and not the present, makes me more sick. I know, here is my solution, cause I always have one, nuke em all!

soundboyz said...

Oddybobo.....I don't think blacks or any other race hate Jews because of racism, I think it's because the Jews ,throughout history, have been involved in the exploitation and leeching of human beings, not just blacks!!I do understand where hatred towards Jews(anti-semaitsm) comes from. Jews were involved in the slave trade and profited from it greatly. I won't go into ALL the examples of how these "so called Jews" had a hand in the exploitation of human beings.

Oddybobo, I cannot believe that you would compare the Asian sex slave trade or domestics in Saudi Arabia to the Trans -Atlantic slave trade,or even the enternment of Koreans by the Japanese for that matter. I think that alone shows how out of touch and unaware people are about the scale and severity of slavery. I guess it's easy to forget about something that one knows very little about!

Oddybobo, I do agree with you on your last point. I do think it will take a nuclear holocaust in order to teach human beings that ALL life is to be respected and valued, and ALL human beings deserve dignity and equality.

One last thing Oddybobo....I want you to know that I am truly sorry for my remarks towards you on the other post.It was wrong and uncalled for. I also want you to know that no matter who you are , no matter where you are,I sincerely love you.

soundboyz said...

>I know, here is my solution, cause I always have one, nuke em all!

Oddybobo, I don't know if you want to say that too loud..... being Korean and all.....if you are in fact Korean....just a thought.Definitely not if you're from N. Korea!!!!!

Two Dogs said...

Even though soundboyz does have some of his facts right on this topic, there is just one that is blatantly wrong. The transatlantic slave trade was miniscule compared to other and a nonexistent blip compared to what is going on now.

While you can make a good case for Jews being involved with the slave trades centuries ago, your malice is very much misplaced in the climate of the last 200 years.

My suggestion would be to read some of the links posted above.

Imara said...

>But the fact that we are dwelling on the past and not the present, makes me more sick.

With all due respect, oddybobo, this statement just amplifies your insensitivity to this situation.

>My suggestion would be to read some of the links posted above.

Two Dogs, I will certainly do that! I will be back when I've completed my assignment.

soundboyz said...

>The transatlantic slave trade was miniscule compared to other and a nonexistent blip compared to what is going on now.

Do you have numbers to back this up, because from what you're saying, the Trans-Atlantic slave trade pales in comparason to the Asian sex slave business and/or domestics in Saudi?

Two Dogs said...

Links, soundboyz. And I don't reagrding the Asians.

soundboyz said...

>And I don't reagrding the Asians

That's what I was talking about in response to Oddybobo's comment. Do you have numbers on Saudi domestics? This is ridiculous anyway, are you comparing domestics to the slave trade?

And I read some of those links , but I will check out the rest .

Two Dogs said...

I am not sure what you asking. Are you saying that being imprisoned in one's own country is somehow different that beinig imprisoned somewhere else? Is that what you mean by the word 'domestics'?

Oddybobo said...

According to the articles recently posted (see Michelle Malkin for the links) though not comparable completely to our dark past in the transatlantic slave trade, saudi domestics are in fact slaves. Sure the times are different, but slaves they are. Raped, beated, forced to sleep on the ground, not allowed to speak to others, etc . . .

Imara, I don't think I am being insensitive in the least. My point is we are here now, and can do something about the human atrocities that are going on throughout the world. We can't change what happened 200 years ago, we can't rewrite history to make is sunnier, we can't travel backwards and make it right. But, we can do something now, to make sure that people, the world over don't continue to suffer as slaves at the hand of anyone. If that makes me insensitive . . . Sex slaves, forced servitude, the slave trade that continues in Africa and the middle east, its still slavery, and you better believe that the people held as slaves, feel that its the same as slavery at anyother time. The difference in the date changes nothing.

Soundboyz, apology accepted. But you still wrong me. I am not out of touch on the scale and severity of the slave trade in our history. But I am also not out of touch on the scale and severity of the modern-day slave trade.

soundboyz said...

> we can't travel backwards and make it right.

But we can do something(s) now to atone for that attrocity.

Going by your statements, we should say, "yea that slavery thing was so bad, huh? ....Yea....well, let's go get some pizza. Meaning more than lip service should be offered to something that was so cruel and atrocious, on such a large scale.

Or maybe we should just forget about it? Do they even have a memorial , or a building , or a holiday, or a statue, or a coin or a stamp, or something in rememberance of it?

Oddybobo, I know I wronged you , but can we forget about it and move on like slavery? You did say not to dwell in the past and to focus on the future.....Pretty please?

Imara said...

>Soundboyz, apology accepted. But you still wrong me.

Oddybobo, I would say that Soundboyz might owe you some reparations for the wrong he commited against you!

Two Dogs said...

Oh, who doesn't like pizza? But, I get so damn dehydrated when I eat it.

Oh, and I proposed what I thought was a good idea in regards to reparation. Guess you must have missed it.

Imara said...

>we can't rewrite history to make is sunnier, we can't travel backwards and make it right. But, we can do something now, to make sure that people, the world over don't continue to suffer as slaves at the hand of anyone

Oddybobo, I agree with your point that we should do what ever is in our power to make sure that no one suffers the atrocities of slavery at the hands of anyone. However, although we can't go back and change what happened, we can acknowledge and pay for what was done to a whole race of people.

You bet your ass, if you, or a family member, suffers because of the neglect of someone else, you are going to sue them for compensation due to their lapse in judgment.

Imara said...

>Oh, who doesn't like pizza? But, I get so damn dehydrated when I eat it.

Two Dogs, if you throw in a couple of "cold ones", preferably of the malt variety, we MIGHT be able to settle this reparations thing and call it even. You know how us black folks love our malt liquor!

Two Dogs said...

Yea, give me shout on e-mail. I'll hook it up.

Did y'all even check out the lighter note post on this entry? I would love to hear comments about that.....I personally laughed my ass off.

soundboyz said...

>Did y'all even check out the lighter note post on this entry? I would love to hear comments about that.....I personally laughed my ass off.

Frig the lighter notes, Two Dogs.We are discussing serious issues here not some guy that wants to make love to his burger!!!Grow up!!!

Although , I used to work at a Mc Donalds .... yea I ended up getting fired because a lady asked me for the Big and Tasty.......so I whipped it out.......

Sorry ladies, I know that was uncalled for.......so can we forget about it .....like slavery?

Two Dogs said...

Okay, you have checked your humor at the door. Greeeaaaaaaaaat.

Oddybobo said...

Alright, alright! Simma down na!

Imara, I'm a lawyer, of course I'd sue their ass! :)

But, I have to say, "a whole race" was not affected. Members of a race were affected by slavery. According to your analysis, some of those members continue to feel those affects.

but no one has said, how paying reparations pays for what was done to the slaves held in the U.S. Oh, but wait, what about the slaves held in other parts of the world at the same time, who pays those reparations? Certainly not me, but I digress. How does paying reparations into a fund that does not go out to the general black populace pay for what was done? There's gotta be a better way. I will think about it, over pizza an a 40 oz. :)

soundboyz said...

^LOL!!!!!!!Good Lord!!!!!LOL!!!!!

Two Dogs said...

Oh, it sounds like a game of Edward Fortyhands coming up here.

Oddybobo said...

Wait, I've got it . . . nope, pass me another 40. Anyone up for a game of Eucre?

Two Dogs said...

What exactly is Eucre? I'll find pictures of Edward Fortyhands.

Two Dogs said...

Here's how we do it in Mississippi.

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~rbt8/fun_pictures.htm

Imara said...

>but no one has said, how paying reparations pays for what was done to the slaves held in the U.S.

How the hell else you think we're going to pay for the pizza and beer, with our good looks? LOL!!

Oddybobo, for the sake of this argument, we're not talking about the slaves held in other countries.

Soundboyz, I will never be able to eat another Big N' Tasty again without thinking of you! LOL!!

Two Dogs, LOL!!!

soundboyz said...

> Alright, alright! Simma down na!

Is that supposed to be an attempt at a "black" voice.............?

soundboyz said...

> Here's how we do it in Mississippi.

http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~rbt8/fun_pictures.htm

What type of redneck camping trip is this ?

Two Dogs said...

Why, actually this is North Arizona State, but it's the best kinda redneck. Tape two forties to your hands and hang with your friends.

Oddybobo said...

"Simma down Na!" That's from Saturday Night Live . . . and Juliana Margolies. One of my favorite SNL skits ever. Not an attempt at a "black" voice, but I have to say, my adopted sister, who, by the way, is black, says it really good, so my imitation would be of her first and Juliana Margolies second! And for the record, I will never, ever be able to order a Big and Tasty without thinking of you guys!

Imara said...

Two Dogs, I read some of your links, and did more than a cursory search on my own. Unfortunately, time doesn't permit me to read all the information available.

I believe the dislike in the black community towards the self-proclaimed Jews, comes from how they are treated. In most major cities, the Jews have taken over large parts of the community and claimed it as their own. Then they economically take from the black community without putting anything back.

Two Dogs said...

Questions: How does someone take something from someone else? Is it at gunpoint? What do they take? Is this something that is rightfully owned by Blacks and stolen by Jews?

You can press charges if someone steals from you.

soundboyz said...

Two Dogs, Cut the Bull crap!!! You know what Imara means. They take over the area, they claim whole counties and towns, they write their stuff on all the buildings, and then they don't allow anyone else to do business in their neighborhoods. Meanwhile , they slowly branch out , setting up in minority hoods, they leech from the community and use their gains to claim more land . They own like 2/3 of Brooklyn, and when I lived there they only used to dwell in Crown Heights and a small part of Bed Stuy!!!!

Oddybobo said...

Imara, there is a really good book by a Penn Professor (I think Elija Anderson), the name escapes me at the moment (read it in my sociological anthropology class in college) about this phenomenon but it is with the black and asian community. The Joos didn't take from anyone. Opportunity abounds, unfortunately, some black people, and I am not making generalizations, felt indifferent enough to walk away from their communities. Hence, those communities are now populated by Joos and/or asians. it actually, from a sociological perspective, is a very compelling phenomenon. The reverse is happening today though, which shows promise. There are more minority owned businesses today than ever before, minority ownership of homes is also on the rise. It will be interesting to see if someone writes a similar book about the reverse phenomenon.

Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, it's a simple question. Like oddybobo said when you walk away, someone is going to take over.

In this country we have a concept known as private property. no one can actually take it from you if it is yours.

Your argument could be better placed aimed at Asians. They are taking over the 'hoods in lower income neighborhoods.

One of the things oddybobo brings up is this: when the Black man becomes more successful, he moves from the neighborhood. That presents the opportunity for another person to purchase that property.

If you don't want Jews in the neighborhood, quit selling the property. I still don't understand the hatred you feel towards Jews.

Imara said...

Oddybobo, thanks for the info on the book. I will definately try to read it.

I understand in some cases there was indifference, but in a lot of cases, blacks couldn't afford to purchase in the very neighborhoods they were already living. They were forced out through gentification.

Imara said...

>I still don't understand the hatred you feel towards Jews.

For me, Two Dogs, I don't think I would call it hate. My spirit wasn't designed to "hate" anyone. I don't agree with some of the things that they do.

Oddybobo said...

But they weren't forced out. The property they already owned, they sold to others and moved along. In fact, in the book (and if memory serves me it is really about when the blacks took over formerly white neighborhoods which are now being taken over by joos and asians), and I still can't remember the name, it talks about the "There goes the neighborhood" domino effect.

West Philly is the perfect example really and why he based the book on it. West Philly was uppercrust whites way back, then it became lower class whites, then blacks, then asians and joos and now, blacks are slowly going back to those neighborhoods, and trying to revitalize them. That is what I am talking about.

Empowerment isn't asking for handouts, empowerment is doing for yourself.

Two Dogs said...

When you they, you make it sound like there is something chromosomically (it ain't a word, don't look it up) altered about the Jewish folks. Is there anything different about them?

Imara said...

>When you they, you make it sound like there is something chromosomically (it ain't a word, don't look it up) altered about the Jewish folks. Is there anything different about them?

Seriously, Two Dogs, I have wondered this. I know it sounds cruel, but that thought has crossed my mind...

Oddybobo said...

That they are chromosomatically altered? Maybe they are. Sometimes I think I am . . . . .

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