Sunday, March 27, 2005

Sobering Easter Post

A couple of weeks ago, I stated in a comment that Black women aborted their children at a much higher rate than white women. I believe that the exact quote was that 2/3 of Black babies in metro areas were aborted. One of this site's regular contributers took issue with that statement, so here is what I found with a very short search on Google. By no means is this a complete investigation of this topic.

I have long held the belief that our inner-cities are decaying into a morass of racism, criminal activity, poverty, and genocide. These are the places where Liberals have an every increasing stronghold. I think that this has to do with a moral relativism that is pushed by the liberals that fail to acknowledge the difference between right and wrong. Yes, there are plenty of issues that APPEAR to have shades of gray, but if you look at circumstances long enough, the definitive solution will present itself.

Here we go: The numbers from the US Census state that there are currently 37.1 million Blacks living in the US which comprises 12.9% of our population. However, 32-34% of abortions are Black babies. Approximately 1,450 Black babies are aborted in this country every day. Further study numbers reflect the FACT that three of every five Black pregnancies result in abortion. While that is not quite 2/3, it is a very high rate of abortion. Black genocide? Wonder why 78% of abortion clinics are located in predominately minority neighborhoods? Because that's where the money is....

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Another startling FACT is that breast cancer affects 12% of all women. These numbers are significantly higher in women that have an abortion. Black women of 50 or older that have had an abortion have an increased risk (370% increased)of breast cancer. That means that a Black woman, age 50, has a 44% risk of contracting breast cancer. Damn.

Oh, and if you say that Blacks are 13% of the poulation and Whites are the remaining 87%, then the rate of Black/White abortion winds up being 32-68%. Quite a large difference. Of course Whites do not make up 87% because there are Asians, Pacific Islanders, Hispanics, and American Indians to factor into the mix.


Black Genocide? That seems to be the case.

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26 comments:

soundboyz said...

Again, you are not being honest with your numbers. Anything can be twisted to support your argument.First, Abortion is a race issue, only in the fact that this has everything to do with economics,which does have everything to do with Race. Don't make this a Race issue if you are NOT willing to explain how slavery and racism affected the socio-economic status of blacks!You stated that blacks made up roughly 13% of the US population.You then neglected to break down the remainding percentage of the population, so let me do that for you!!!Of the remainding 87% non blacks in the US, as of 2000, 75% of those are white.This would make the abortion rate for whites much higher than blacks.I understand your argument about the black abortion rate being disproportionate, but everything bad is disproportionate when it comes to blacks because of the effects of Slavery and Racism!!! So when you dismiss these factors in all of your other posts and pretend that everything is HONKEY dorey, you are being disingenuous.

If you were in a race, and you were held back at the start, and was abused and degraded ,until everyone else was given a huge head start. Then you were allowed to start, but had to jump hurdles , while the other racers ran unimpeded, Who do you think would win, place and show?

Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, I actually overstated the numbers for white population/abortions for brevity. If we use your numbers, the rate differential of abortion of Blacks/White increases. I have most definitely not twisted the numbers of three of every five Black pregnancies end in abortion. Across no other racial group is the rate that high.

I vehemently disagree with your statement that it has anything at all to do with slavery. That argument just will not hold water when you look at the advances that Blacks as a race had accomplished up to the 1950's. If I had to point a finger at what keeps the Black population down (so to speak), it would have to be oppressive Federal regulations and Government social programs, but that's just my opinion.

And also Hispanics as of 2000 comprised 19% of the population, Asians were 8%, and OTHER made 6%. That leaves 54% of the population being White. Surprisingly enough the census numbers that I have seen today never actually say that. But, if you do your math, that is what they come up with.

Anyway, I posted this because Imara almost coughed up her skull when I made that statement a couple of weeks ago.

Two Dogs said...

Oh, and to answer your rhetorical question, I dunno, I guess the Indians, no wait, the Japanese, maybe the Irish? I give up.

soundboyz said...

In the article from CNS News .com , all parties were in agreement that the underlying factor was economics!!You cannot dismiss the effect slavery and racism had on black people economically!!!!Give me a break!!It's the main reason why there are large numbers of blacks born into poverty . They did not just come here and decided not to achieve.

And your stats are wrong for 2000. I got my stats from here
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U
What you fail to factor in is all the uppity spanish and other races that claim they are white and don't want to acknowledge their true heratage, Two Dogs!!!It says here that 77.1% are white, but it says that 69.1 % are white alone!!!

Two Dogs said...

I haven't got time to go back and find the census page that I took my numbers from right now, but like I stated above, the page that I drew from did not at any point show what the actual White population was. It just gave the minority counts and I extrapolated from that. And my first estimate was just saying that Blacks were 13% and gave whites the remaining 87%. What is your point? I give you the highest population of Whites and the abortion rate is maginally lower for whites, then you say my numbers are wrong. Then I adjust my numbers down, which make the ratio even more damning for the Black population then you say my numbers are too high. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

soundboyz said...

Two Dogs , I'm not trying to be confusing, what I am merely trying to point out is that if the total number of the white population is less than originally thought and the number of abortions for whites stay the same, then the percentage of white abortion will increase proportionately. Anyway, this is not the main issue that I am trying to point out. The main point I am making is that everyone in that CNS article agree that economics was the main factor in abortion, not simply race. So, I am stating that most blacks are in this economic position as a result of Slavery and racism!!!

soundboyz said...

oops!! You left the Republican vote counter on again!!!!

Two Dogs said...

soundboyz, I cleaned up some of the Ohio commenting there. Hope you don't start screaming about being disenfranchised.

soundboyz said...

^LOL!!!! Two Dogs, you just don't stop , do you? You're the only Jive F. Turkey I know!!!!LOL!!!

Imara said...

Ok, Two Dogs... Let's deal with the population breakdown first... it seems like there are various conflicting statistics on the web. My numbers are taken from the US Census site. According to the Census taken in 2000, African-American's were 12.3% (or 34.7 ml) of the total population while whites were 75.1% (or 211.5 ml). These numbers only include those that consider themselves to be Only comprised of the respective race.

My statistics on abortion were taken from various sites. Interestingly enough, all of the sites that I saw that supported your numbers were Pro-Life sites. Could they be a little misleading...

Anyway... as of 1995 (most recent numbers that I could find) 57.8% of abortions were performed on white women, while 33.9% were on black women. Keeping in mind, the birth rate for black women is higher than that of white's.

25.5% of all abortions performed where said to have taken place because the patient wanted to postpone childbearing... sounds like college educated white women would fall into this catagory- just my opinion, though.

The breast cancer rate among white women is 20% higher than that of blacks. Black women have a significantly higher mortality rate, because of lack of adequate access to health care.

I'm not sure what your angle is on this post, but I must admit, as a black women, I immediately became defensive after reading it. It is clear that white women are more likely to have an abortion than black women (for the reasons I stated in an earlier post). I do, however, agree that anything that contributes to the detriment of the black race is a tragedy. For instance, lack of proper education, access to high quality health care, equal pay... I could go on and on. Two Dogs, mainstream America doesn't want to confront the effects of racism. Unfortunately, Blacks have to deal with it everyday. Until we get to a place in this country, where we can have an open and HONEST discussion, we (black and white) will continue to suffer the effects.

Two Dogs said...

Imara, not to keep bashing the numbers here, (I have simplified by rounding) but if Blacks are 13%, Hispanics are 19%, Asians are 8%, and Other 6%, how can Whites make up 75%, that is 121%?

Furthermore, having only completed Calculus IV and Physics II, my math might be a little lacking, but if Blacks are 13% of the population and account for 34% of abortions, how in the Hell can Whites STILL abort at a higher rate? The numbers do not work unless you use some form of base 13.7 irrational numbers. I actually used the remainder of the population as White to illustrate my point even more. If there are no other races and I use the remaining percetages, Blacks STILL abort at a higher rate than whites. That is simple math.

Anyway,this post was in reference to my comment about 2/3rds of Black babies were aborted from a couple of weeks ago. I admitted my estimate was a little high, it was only 3/5ths are aborted.

As far as the Breast Cancer stats, again, I took the total number and did my math. I never thought that you would assume that I meant that Whites are less likely to get breast cancer, I simply stated what the odds for a Black woman who aborted were.

Imara, this is not my opinion. These are FACTS. if you want my opinion, you have to guess, I am staying away from this one. I ain't got a dog in this fight.

Erik Grow said...

Your premise that abortion increases cancer risk is utterly false. Even the National Institute of Health government site says it is false.

http://cis.nci.nih.gov/fact/3_75.htm

"Since then, better-designed studies have been conducted. These newer studies examined large numbers of women, collected data before breast cancer was found, and gathered medical history information from medical records rather than simply from self-reports, thereby generating more reliable findings. The newer studies consistently showed no association between induced and spontaneous abortions and breast cancer risk."

Erik Grow said...

I also noticed that all of your other links are editorial sites of some type. None of them are backed up by any sort of impartial medical source.

soundboyz said...

^This is true. What say you Two Dogs?

Imara said...

Two Dogs, I have been trying to leave you a comment for a couple of days...

You are confusing the matter with your mathamatical b*llsh*t! The fact of the matter is women are not at higher risk for cancer after having an abortion. White women are more likely to abort their pregnancies. White people make up 75% of the US population. This is FACT, not my opinion.

Erik, I, too, have noticed that same thing. Yeah, Two Dogs... what say you?

Anonymous said...

who are you?

Anonymous said...

abortion is murder. that is a fact

soundboyz said...

> Anonymous said...
> who are you?

LOL!!!The question is, who are YOU?

> Anonymous said...
> abortion is murder. that is a fact

At any stage? For any reason?

soundboyz said...

>You are confusing the matter with your mathamatical b*llsh*t!

LOL!!! Imara has been hanging with me a little too long!!

Two Dogs said...

This will be my final post for a couple of days. I just can't get to my computer to blog. This post was not about cancer, that was an aside. I haven't had the time to do any more fact checking. My search was a short one, I stated that in my post. Trust me, I will not accept the idea that there are competent people (read scientists and doctors) working for the Fed.

Imara, I am sorry if you were offended by this post, but you account is miserably wrong. When the Black abortion rate is 34%, which is double the Black population, it is just basic math that Black women abort at a rate almost double of Whites. I don't know any other way to say that.

My post was totally about the skyrocketing rate of abortion in the Black community. I think that I did a satisfactory job of showing exactly how bad it is. If you choose not to understand the numbers, I am truly sorry.

Imara said...

Two Dogs, please don't be sorry! I am thankful that you posted this. Like I stated, anything that is a detriment to the black community, I have a problem with. I just happen to disagree with your numbers. I have links to support my findings, and you have links to support yours. We will have to agree to disagree on the numerical part of your thesis.

No hard feelings. I hope you will continue to raise hard issues. You've given us all a lot to think about.

Two Dogs said...

I certainly appreciate your candor. I even like soundboyz comments. I just sit here and think about him with that tinfoil hat on just posting his little heart out.

Imara said...

I take it your trying to say Soundboyz is "Tin Man"? Well, I happen to think he already has a heart... and a brain... and courage! No need to see the Wiz, Soundboyz. Just ease on down the road...

soundboyz said...

I've seen the Wiz as well as The Wizard of Oz! If I am the Tin Man , then Two Dogs MUST , I repeat MUST be the man behind the curtain!!!"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"!

soundboyz said...

I've seen the Wiz as well as The Wizard of Oz! If I am the Tin Man , then Two Dogs MUST , I repeat MUST be the man behind the curtain!!!"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"!

Erik Grow said...

I also noticed that all of your other links are editorial sites of some type. None of them are backed up by any sort of impartial medical source.

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