Sorry, I have just been swamped up to my eyeballs with work and pushing little, old ladies into oncoming traffic. Y'all have done well in my absence. I have not had the time to figure out how I'm going to stir a bucket of dung over the religion debate, but trust me, I'm working on it.
To comment on the responses over my experience with public education and snatching my boy outta public school, let me say this. No one, I mean no one, is going to tell me how to raise my son. If you have ideas about how to raise your children, great. You raise yours and I'll raise mine.
That said, I attended public school back in a time when Blacks were forced to sit on the back of bus, but classes were fully integrated. I am not about to say that I had Black friends in Elementary school. It was frowned upon. My son has been exposed to the exact opposite of that. I have beat into him the fact that everyone is equal in the eyes of G_d and I will accept no less than that from him. He is a damn good boy.
He did attend public school until the time that the Flower Children teachers began to inundate his little brain with crap that I wouldn't try to sell to a wet brain. I'm sorry if it upsets some people, but I am a Catholic. I believe that homosexuality is wrong. I believe that molesting children is wrong. I believe that killing and selling drugs are wrong as well. To tell my boy that drinking and smoking dope and sleeping with men is okay goes against everything that I know to be the truth, so I snatched him out of public school.
I know that my son understands the sexual act and I know that he will wait until marriage. Did I? Why Hell no. I smoked weed, shot needle dope, drank and ran around with all kinds of women. To tell my son that he should not do the same as I did is NOT hipocritical, it's good parenting. I told him of my mistakes and how it cheapened the experience that I had with my wife, who was everything in the world to me. And worse still, I used up some of the things that I should have saved for her.
For a twenty year old to lecture on the state of affairs in today's youth is not only the sign of thinking that at twenty your opinion is sound, but ignorance in not knowing that your opinion is sure to change. Do you think that I always held the opinions that I do now? I grew up. My thoughts, feelings, and opinions began changing the day that I took responsibility for bringing another human into this tough world.
If you are not a bleeding-heart liberal through your twenties, you have no soul. If you are not evolving into a dyed-in-the-wool conservative in your thirties, you have no brain.
Peace.
UPDATE: No, soundboyz, I am not calling y'all out. The thing about don't tell me how to raise my kid was more in reference to the teacher telling me, "Mr. Mitchell, you have to teach your son these things." My response, "Shut up."
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55 comments:
Two Dogs, I totally agree with EVERYTHING you said. I, too, believe that homosexuality IS wrong, selling and doing drugs IS wrong, molesting children IS wrong. One of my greatest regrets is that I didn't see the value in waiting for my "special someone". But with all that being said, I don't have the right to judge someone else who CHOOSES to live a different lifestyle. And that is what you are doing when you don't deal with them.
I'm certainly not telling you how to raise your child, but aren't you sending a message that just breeds intolerance, and prejudice. How are we ever going to get past our differences if we don't deal with each other?
And another thing Two Dogs.....Do you see my point about these conservatives trying to take the moral high ground about everything? Look at what you did growing up, now did you listen to your parents?So, what the hell makes you think that you can force your boy into doing what you think is right for him.You can certainly try, but like everyone has to learn on their own,NOBODY'S PERFECT!
Touche', Soundboyz!
Two Dogs, I'm offended! Because I'm not growing into a conservative, I have "no brain"? Sure, my views have changed drastically since my twenties, but I could never see myself as a conservative. For the very reason... it seems (most) conservatives, have a superiority complex.
I did listen to my parents. Remember, I am forty years old. I grew up during the sixties. It was all free love and tolerance. I had to turn away from the things that my parents taught me because of the destuctive behaviors that they did condone.
Catholic priests molest children on a scale of 1/10000th the rate of other men. The stories that you received from the anti-christian media were designed to destroy the church, not report the news. The only molesters that they will not let us hear about are the ones that move into our neighborhoods. My opinion on the Catholic preists that were charged and convicted is that they should be sentenced by their parishoners. Trust me, they would be drawn and quartered and I would gladly help. But anyway, his school is a christian school but not Catholic.
And how do I think that I can force my boy to do what I think is right? I am his Father. Period. Do what I say son or I will punish you. And he has learned better than I ever could have hoped. I guess that I am doing something right. Maybe.
And Imara, thank you for the all caps on CHOOSE. Most people try not to go there. But, I believe as you do. And you do judge; soundboyz and I discussed this previously. You judge every time you choose to hang out with A instead of B. You surround yourself with people that you can identify with, this is judging in ita purist sense.
No one is perfect but that doesn't absolve us of the opportunity to try to be as good a person as humanly possible.
Keep 'em coming folks, we are going to solve all the world's problems. They need it.
Oh, Imara, please don't be offended. You ARE growing into a conservative. Just from reading your earlier post, you should see that.
And I did not understand the comment about dealing with each other. Please elaborate.
Two Dogs ....You sound like a typical Conservative. Just like President Bush, he can smoke dope , snort coke, be a drunkard for the majority of his life and be a womanizer, but when it comes to everybody else, well, these things are wrong. That's Hypocritical!!!I don't advocate anything wrong to children , however i'm a realist, I know that children are going to do things that are wrong.To try and force them into doing what I think is right for them is Hypocritical!!They have to learn , like you and I had to learn.Really, I've always thought of Conservatives as hypocritical fuck ups who try to use the government to force their children into obeying them about shit that they are/were guilty of doing themselves!
If that's what your parents taught you, then I am so sorry, they were wrong in teaching that to a child. This might explain your attitude now! That just explained alot of things Two Dogs. I can see why you feel the way you do.
Actually I did as my parents taught me and then I realized that it was the road to failure. They are far-left liberals and radicals. I rebelled against the status quo and changed my destiny. Returned to college, got a degree with my own money, and more or less changed my life. I do not see the hypocracy in that. It's called growing up.
And if you think that Conservatives are all about using government as a solution to dictating morality, you just haven't been paying attention. It's the left that uses judicial fiat to demand that I recognize homosexuals as a race, more or less. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the last President to actually reduce the size of the Constitution and do away with useless Federal Legislation was Ronaldus Magnus Reaganus. RIP, Gipper, you are missed, but go ahead and straighten out Heaven for us.
Oh, and check out the new tagline under the blogname.
>And Imara, thank you for the all caps on CHOOSE. Most people try not to go there. But, I believe as you do
Hey, like I said in one of my previous post.Yes , some homosexuals do CHOOSE that lifestyle, however, you cannot deny the fact that some were born with too little testosterone or too much(in the case of women)which causes them to take on the characteristics of the opposite sex. I have seen this numerous times when I served in the military. To say that they all CHOOSE is to say that they can control science. Hey, they're males, females, hermophrodites and every thing else, so to say that they all CHOOSE, is being nieve.
> Oh, and check out the new tagline under the blogname
Yea, I just saw that before I read this.Ha Ha Haaaaaa! Very Funny!
I am simply saying that any behavior is chosen. Hey why did you pick that shirt? Why did you knock boots with a man? Same difference. (definitely NO HOMO)
Just to let you know soundboyz... the correct spelling of the word is naive, not nieve. And I take deep offense to the Catholic remarks. I'm not going to throw around big words and so a whole lot of nothing, which is usually what I read on here, but homosexuality is frowned up and is considered a sin in the Catholic church along with child molestation and to judge a whole based on just a few is very ignorant in my eyes. Have you ever been to a Catholic church or school? If not, then may I suggest you try it out. You'll find that you've never been more accepted by a wider group of people before in your life. And by the way, are you a Christian at all? I think we might be moving over to the religion debate after all.
I too would like an answer to this question, sir....
Hey , thanks for pointing that out commanche, spelling has never been one of my strongest fortes(DId I Spell that right?)Anyhoo....You can take offense to whatever you like, I have taken offense to a number of things on this blog.Yes ., I have been to a Catholic church, and it felt creepy, like devil worship(not that I know about that)You can try to minimize the Catholic Church's sex abuse scandal all you want, but the fact is ,the number of victims has reached the 1000's and is going up.Now, that might only be a small fraction of the priests involved, however I think there is something wrong with a religion that worships a man!Does POPE 2 or Vatican 2 mean anything?
Actually, this might not be a debate that I am up for. I am a Christian. And if someone who regularly posts on this site is not, then I don't really have an argument for it. I don't have the most extensive knowledge of the Bible or anything like that but I can tell you that I have faith and as I say to my friend John (not my real name) all the time, faith is only faith when it's all that you have.
Oh....and since it's gang up on soundboyz day, why don't you all just think about what your religions would say about that!OH, and I'm not Christian.
Right, and we worship and pray to Mary more than we do God too? I give the same amount of respect to Pope John Paul as I would my priest or any other leader of a congregation. Hey, that might be wrong considering I converted and maybe I don't have as much reverence as I should, but I do not worship the Pope. And Was Jesus not a man? I'm just curious. And I think you pretty much cleared up the fact that you are not a Christian, but why didn't you just answer the question? Or am I wrong? Set me straight if I am.
I don't get you commanche, now you're saying that you're not up for the religion debate because I'm not Christian? What kind of sense does that make?
The only things that I know about the molestation charges in the church were the three priests charged in the BOSTON Diocese. If they did 1000's, I want the virility drugs they were taking. Northest liberalism left over from the sixties. Back then, the church took a very leftist lean and they accepted anyone into the priesthood. Check it. It's why I am Catholic.
Oh, and comanche only has one "M". Please folks this a very spirited debate. No spelling error stuff to the posters. If you see me misspell one, call it.
I don't recall ganging up on you. What you said about Catholics and Catholic schools would be the same thing as me thinking that every black man that just so happened to follow me outside a convenience store was going to rob and rape me. And you don't want to debate. All you want to do is put other people down for not thinking like you.
I worship NO MAN or Woman. You need to check into your religion more, this POPe wrote an edict or decree or divine law that makes him the subject of worship for all Catholics!
Well, thank you so much Two Dogs. But, that's the way I've always spelled it and I'm not going through all the mess to change it on this crazy blog mess. It takes an Act of Congress to change do anything on here. But thanks for correcting me. I don't mind anyone pointing out that I've misspelled something. By the way, I misspelled something earlier but I won't go back. Just know that I know about it.
commanche....how did I put you down?
Soundboyz, that's fine and good. I will most certainly check into this "decree". But instead of telling me what I should believe and learn about, how about telling me what you believe in. Cause just by reading these posts, you only believe in yourself. Which is fine, but wow what a sad person you must be.
Well, being that I am a Catholic and saying that Catholics are all about child molestation and homosexuality, I take that as a put-down. Try not to make so many generalized statements if you don't want them to come back and bite you in the butt!
First of all. I did not tell you what to believe.I merely suggested that you look into your religion further. That was not passing judgement. Secondly, I am not a sad person. I am a very TOLERANT person. I do not pass judgement on people because of their race, sex, sexual orientation....etc. I believe in peace, love and understanding of all people. Even if I don't agree with their lifestyles.And yes , you can spell judgment both ways.
I never said that you passed judgment on me. I said that you put me down when you made the generalized statement that Catholics were all about child molestation and homosexuality. You and I have some very differing beliefs but also some similar beliefs. I would never pass judgment on the fact that you are not a Christian. I just cannot relate to it because I have always been one. But that wouldn't mean that you and I couldn't be friends. Like you I believe that just because you believe differently than someone doesn't make you better or worse than them. This is a big world, we all really can share it together.
I haved lived in Boston, so I know about the Archdioces and the sex scandal first hand. It just seems as if the problem is more wide spread than a few Priests.Forgive me if I insulted your religion. I just have nothing nice to say about child molesters and sexual predators.
The main priest that was charged was known as a street preacher before he was accepted into the priesthood. Far-left liberal. That is not my opinion, it is his own. and yes, conservatives do things wrong as well. The Republican governor in Mississippi back in 1996 cheated on his wife. That's wrong.
Now on to tolerance. The word and concept has been bastardized so badly that it now means permissive. Non-judgmental is bullshit. Call a thing what it is. I am my brother's keeper.
Wow , you mean to tell me that a Republican Governor cheated on his wife?One Republican Governor? Committed adultry? Wow! I don't believe this.I'm gonna save this and send it around to EVERYBODY!!
O.k . let's see....there was Father Shandlin or something like that, Father O'Toole, Father Flannigan, FatherO'mally, Father.....well , i'll look them up , but i'm sure that you're right, they all sound like liberal slimeballs!
I am stating fact about what the church did back in the sixties to increase the number of priests. They relaxed their standards to allow for increased numbers. Those are the priests that are getting into trouble. If I get a chance tonight I'll try to find the names of the priests that have been charged. So far I have only heard of three. And of those three all were brought into the church in the sixties when the relaxed policy took effect. I could be wrong, though.
Yes, a Republican governor cheated on his wife. And if you ask anyone that was hanging with me at the time, they will all tell you that I wanted him to resign, as good as he was as a governor. Mississippi was the first state in the union to operate in the black. But, I don't want my kid to think that I condone that kinda hanky-panky.
Oh, by the way, it only took one term of an elected Democrat to turn our state's fiscal responsibility into a nightmare. We are now facing a huge deficit and debt. Luckily Musgrove only lasted one term and was beaten soundly by Barbour (R).
Oh, and this was my first post to top 30 comments. Yay, folks, y'all are doing a great job. There will be a little something extra in your checks this week.
Okay. Charging in here...timidly.
Child molestation is wrong, no matter who commits the crime. This belief permeates our Western culture and most of the rest of the world. In the rest of the world, where child prostitution exists, it exists on the fringes of those societies. Where child marriages or arranged marriages exist, they generally are not consumated until after puberty, which, of course, would constitute child rape in our western world now, though it wouldn't have 100 years ago. Our times have a-changed. But, I digress. We have evolved in our society and no longer have a need for child-birthing machines and children now have rights. Child molestation is wrong.
I generally believe that one should leave another's religion alone. That said, no one else is, so here it goes. After great consideration over the years, I have decided that it is inherently wrong to expect a human to be celibate and function as a good and normal person. We are sexual beings. If one takes away sexual human companionship, then he makes a disfunctioning person. If someone doesn't need sexual human companionship, then something is wrong with that person to begin with. God made woman to be a companion for man. Therefore, I believe that the Catholic Church should allow priests and nuns to marry.
By the way, I understand the theory that part of a priest or nun's struggle is to be celibate. However, it doesn't seem to be working. Not only in this country. There are now priest sex scandals (child molestation, secret marriages, rapes, etc.) in other countries, as well. Also, the secret marriages, mistresses, secret families, rapes, child molestation, etc. are not new charges against the Church. These have been happening for centuries.
As for the sexual proclivities of Mississippi Governors, Republican or Democrat...if one were to go back to 1817 (might be a little off on the year) when we first became a state and had the media reporting access that we have today, I believe that we would find quite a few more bad boyz in our history. For the record, Two Dogz, the Democratic governor elected right after that Republican governor cheated on his wife, too.
And...homosexuality is biological for most people. Some people choose it.
There. I'm done. 'Nuff said today.
Two Dogs, what I meant is, if you pull your son out of school because you don't agree with some of the things he is being taught, aren't you teaching him to run from what he doesn't believe? In turn breeding intolerance? As a parent, it's your responsibility to counter, what you believe as misinformation, with your own morals and values. Just like you told him of your mistakes, why couldn't you allow him to stay in public school and instill in him another way. I'm not sure if that makes my point any clearer? I understand what your saying about "judging" when we make choices about our friends, mates, etc., but this seems different.
Commanche, why can't we have this debate even though we're not all Cahtolic or Christian? I've studied both religions, and let me tell you I have never been judge more than when I was in the Catholic church. What a bunch of hypocrits! The Christians are even worse. Through much research and prayer, I have come to the conclusion that there is only ONE God. All of the other stuff is designed to control the masses.
Imara, what I tried to teach my son was that there are people that will try to steer you the wrong way. Do not let them have the opportunity to continue to influence you. Stay away from the bad people. And there are people that are not willing to admit that they have no idea what they are talking about.
And just because you had a bad experience with others judging you doesn't mean that they were not correct in their judgment. I always tell my kid that if he sees people that he cares for doing the wrong thing, he is supposed to call them out for it. Again, I am my brother's keeper.
Two Dogs, I understand what your saying about how you're raising your son. I just don't see where it warrents taking him out of school. Sounds a little drastic... but I'm not judging!
As for my experience with being judged... I don't have a problem with it, if it's done with love and concern. That's how we learn and grow. However, I DO have a problem with it if it comes from folks that claim to be of God, who claim to be Christ-like (who, by the way didn't judge), and who claim to accept everyone, no matter what. If you claim to accept everyone, than I believe that's what you should do- NO EXCEPTIONS! I have just found that Catholics/Christians lead by ridicule, instead of by example.
Thank God Imara is here....Imara , I really missed you yesterday.As you can see, I really needed you .I'm glad you're here .
I do believe that Jesus was one of the harshest judges ever. And if you would like, I could post some of the curses that he shot out. He was God as man and was here to assure the ones that wanted redemption. Can't do that with some type of moral ambiguity.
^ What she said X 100.I have also had the experience of Catholics and Christians being very judgmental.I just think that both religions do not follow in the traditions of their teachings. When Commanche said that the Catholic church was one of the most accepting place or whatever, I just shook my head. I know first hand, as well as know of people who have had the same experience!To think of the stuff that goes on in these places! I can't understand why Christians are so hypocritical, the bible says Judge not least ye be judged.Exactly, Jesus did not judge, so why are these so called evangalists going around crucifying diffrent people?
I'm sorry, I just can't believe that anyone would have the audacity to say that Jesus did not judge. My Bible must have been written by someone else. Jesus was judge, jury, and executioner. This nonsense about not judging is a moral travesty. 'Judge not, lest you be judged' does NOT mean to not judge people at all. It means that you better have your own shit in one sock before you head out to fight injustice. Come on folks, we are headed for some place that just doesn't make sense to the normal thinking person. and if you think that moral relativism is the way to go, you got another thing coming.
Soundboyz... maybe the Trinity thing is true, because I think I just caught the Holy Ghost on that one! Speak on it, Brotha! When, who it was escapes me now, but... when they knelt before him to pray he said do not worship me, I am not God! Only my Father is the Alpha and Omega!
Soundboyz... (not sure what happened to my earlier post about this), but sorry about yesterday. I see they really ganged up on you. I have a crazy schedule this week, so not much time for blogging. :( Don't worry though, I got your back!
To soundboyz, I'm sorry that you felt judged and not accepted at the Catholic church. That's really terrible to hear. But, it was MY personal experience that I was referring to when I said that I had never been to a more accepting church before. Growing up Baptist, I didn't see asians or blacks at my church and for that matter, I didn't see people that didn't drive a certain type of car or live in a certain neighborhood. But, none of this was important at my Catholic church home and I guess it was just very refreshing. I am a Christian now and will always be, no matter what type of church I choose to go to. And for Imara, the reason I said that I couldn't get into a debate with soundboyz if he wasn't a Christian is because Christianity is all I know of and can speak of. I certainly couldn't get into a discussion with anyone on Judaism, Islam, or any other religion. I am not open to that and you can call me whatever you want to, but that is how I was raised and that is what I believe. I wouldn't talk bad about anyone for believing something different, and like I said yesterday, I could be friends with or even a step farther, TOLERANT, of someone who believes differently than I, but as far as debating goes, there's not one from me. That's all I was trying to say yesterday. And Catholics are Christians... we're not this strange and seperate entity that obviously some of you think we are. We have all been judged at one point or another in our lives for right or wrong reasons. My mother still to this day judges me and as mad as it makes me, I like for her to judge me, because like Imara said, it comes with love. I have also been judged out of hatred. But, I believe, that is where your own personal strengths and beliefs have to come in. And soundboyz, don't you shake your head for me my friend. Shake your head for someone who has NOTHING to believe in. Just because you don't agree with what I have to say doesn't mean it didn't happen and don't try to dismiss my experience to make your point.
Hey Imara......I cannot tell you how happy it makes me to blog with you . I really mean it. The more we blog together, the more I feel like we are of one mind. This is something that soothes my soul, because sometimes I just can't take the way things are today.I know you are busy , and I definitely know that you got my back.
Hey Commanche...........Friends?
Sure. No hard feelings here.
Soundboyz, I enjoy blogging with you, as well. If you like we can exchange emails?
Thank you Commanche......That means alot to me. I know sometimes I get carried away, and I am not smart enough to realize that I am offending others. I mean no disrespect.Sorry if I offended you.
Yes Imara , I would like that very much. Sorry for the delay, this thing is working real slow like.I will post my email back on my blog . Just go to the last post,I think it's about Some Dr. Octavius blog by xplicit.
Commanche, I respect your position on the religion debate.
Oh.....and congrats to Two Dogs for passing the big 50 mark for comments. This is great , however I will post my final manafesto back at Trinity Church within the next day. I think folks might want to check it out. It is sure to raise many eyebrows as well as questions!
... I thought maybe it was just my computer that was acting up.
Yes, congrats to Two Dogs. You have a really lively blog here! Please keep posting thought provoking stuff!
Soundboyz, I will check for your email and your "final manifesto". Should we be nervous? LOL!
Yes! ........Sorry , I spelled it wrong! M a n i f e s t o.
Okay, soundboyz, you can't even call yourself out for misspellings. We just talking so, trust me, I use slang and pronounce words like they be misspelled alla time. And this manifesto thing sounds like an ending. We can't have that. And will everyone quit worrying about upsetting people? We are all adults, maybe, and these discussions are bound to get heated. You will still be my friend afterward. Let's not make this into an apology contest, Jeeeez.
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